Re: [riena-dev] Riena 2.0.M6 and (in this case unwanted) RAP dependenci

[Elias Volanakis <elias@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks, please post the bug number here. Elias.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Christian Campo
<christian.campo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I will open a bug against p2......I am really anxious to see what will happen with Riena once it is in the Helios repository. Most likely the same kind of problem will happen for target provisioning.....
>
> christian
>
> Am 17.03.2010 um 20:25 schrieb Elias Volanakis:
>
>> We certainly can talk about it. However at the moment I don't know any
>> easy solution (other than what you do). Curious to hear your
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Elias.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:15 PM, ekke <ekke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> hi elias,
>>>
>>> we can try it (later) - for today it was enough ;-)
>>> ... have to continue preparation for eclipsecon
>>>
>>> perhaps we can talk about it at eclipsecon ?
>>> for now I'm happy that my workaround works and we can use Riena M6 for
>>> EclipseCon :)
>>>
>>> thx
>>>
>>> ekke
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 17.03.10 20:00, schrieb Elias Volanakis:
>>>
>>> @ekke: just curious: would it help if we were using "require package"
>>> instead of optional bundle dependencies? (my guess is no, but it would
>>> be useful to try).
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Elias.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:58 AM, ekke <ekke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ...tried many ways:
>>>
>>> Build own feature containing the riena bundles we need to get rid of the
>>> Riena Updatesite inside the IDE,
>>> installed from our updatesite (unchecked contact other sites)
>>>
>>> in different combinations and ways
>>>
>>> but always sometimes after restarting eclipse,
>>> P2 thought "oooh there's an optional dependency to RAP and I know where the
>>> bundles are..." and again rap plug-ins are in the IDE
>>>
>>> so the only way (for now) we're using 3 modified riena plug-ins
>>> (o.e.r.navigation.ui.swt, o.e.r.ui.ridgets.swt, o.e.r.ui.swt)
>>> where we deleted the optional RAP dependencies,
>>> put them together with all our riena bundles used inside IDE into a Feature
>>> on our updatesite
>>> and now it works
>>>
>>> running RCP apps and using a TargetPlatform all works well using the normal
>>> Riena Updatesite, because there we have control which plug-ins to start
>>>
>>> the bad thing: eclipsecon is coming and I spent the day with unexpected
>>> things
>>> the good thing: eclipsecon is coming where we can talk with the ppl from RAP
>>> and P2 how to solve this better
>>>
>>> ekke
>>>
>>> Am 17.03.10 15:37, schrieb ekke:
>>>
>>> hi christian,
>>>
>>> sorry - I dont want to give a wrong impression !
>>>
>>> confirmed from me, too:
>>>
>>> Riena works well using Helios M6 SDK together with Riena 2.0.0.M6
>>> I installed all successfully into the TargetPlatform :)
>>> ...and will blog about it in detail...
>>>
>>> redView uses Riena from TargetPlatforms if running in RCP Applications,
>>> but redView also offers a Designer to be used inside the IDE - and of course
>>> we're using Ridgets,
>>> so we need some of the Riena bundles
>>>
>>> our Updatesite has dependencies to Riena Plug-ins like
>>> org.eclipse.riena.ui.swt
>>> and P2 finds this Plug-in in Rienas Updatesite
>>> so far so good
>>>
>>> but this (and some other) plug-ins now support RAP - which is great :)
>>> some days ago I saw the first time a redView (EMF) View inside a running RAP
>>> application
>>>
>>> the problem is P2 - in this case P2 is too smart and finds all optional
>>> references
>>> from the MANIFEST.MF - and so I got rap and swt both installed into the IDE
>>>
>>> at EclipseCon I think there will be some time ta talk about this dilemma
>>> with P2, RAP and Riena
>>>
>>> in the meantime I'm working on a solution how it could be done for our
>>> special case
>>> using some bundles of Riena inside the IDE
>>>
>>> I'll let you know about it
>>>
>>> ekke
>>>
>>> Am 17.03.10 15:01, schrieb Christian Campo:
>>>
>>> Hi Ekke,
>>> I understand your problem and we were already chatting about how to solve
>>> them. However Riena's features are marked as installable in the Target
>>> Platform of the IDE only. Thats what we tested and thats what is working as
>>> far as I know off.
>>> So I agree that it should be possible to use some bundles also in the IDE
>>> since you need them. But Riena is fully functionally in M6 if used as a
>>> Target Platform together with Equinox and RCP.
>>> Please dont give people the wrong impression that Riena 2.0.0.M6 does not
>>> work......
>>> thanks
>>> christian
>>> p.s. besides its even unclear whom to blame Riena or p2...
>>> Am 17.03.2010 um 14:10 schrieb ekke:
>>>
>>> just did a test, but i doesn't help to explicitely depend on
>>> swt, eclipse.ui, etc
>>>
>>> reason is that riena bundles now have optional dependencies
>>> to rap and rcp
>>> and if used inside an IDE, both are started
>>> I have no control on this
>>> P2 of course founds both on helios sites
>>> BLOCKER
>>>
>>> ekke
>>>
>>> Am 17.03.10 11:53, schrieb ekke:
>>>
>>> hi christian,
>>>
>>> if we install into IDE then we only have the riena M6 updatesite available
>>> and choose our redview features from our updatesite
>>>
>>> then its up to P2 to resolve the dependencies - and find RAP from the
>>> optional package
>>>
>>> think, I have a solution:
>>>
>>> we create 2 additional features:
>>>
>>> org.redview.rcp
>>> with explicit bundle dependency to 'normal' bundles
>>>
>>> org.redview.rap
>>> with explicit bundle dependency to RAP bundles
>>>
>>> then deploy two update sites where always only one feature is included
>>>
>>> then the user can choose what to get and P2 will get the right bundles
>>>
>>> ekke
>>>
>>> Am 17.03.10 11:41, schrieb Christian Campo:
>>>
>>> Hi Ekke,
>>>
>>> Riena now comes with an optional package that allows you to run Riena with
>>> RAP. Is it possible that you install including all optional dependencies ?
>>> christian
>>> Am 17.03.2010 um 10:49 schrieb ekke:
>>>
>>> hi,
>>> just did our first tests using Riena 2.0.0.M6
>>>
>>> works well if used normally in Target Platform - installed all successfully
>>> using helios M6 SDK
>>> (will blog later a detailed description)
>>>
>>> but in redview we're using some bundles of Riena in the IDE (needed from
>>> redViews Designer Editor)
>>>
>>> we've successfully build an updatesite running with Riena 2.0.0.M5
>>> yesterday evening flo fixed compile errors and created a new updatesite for
>>> redview with Riena M6
>>>
>>> I just tried in a new SDK M6 workspace with Riena 2.0.0.M6
>>> and corrupted my IDE because some RAP bundles come in (see attachment)
>>>
>>> think that there are some dependencies from redview (perhaps
>>> package-import-dependency) to riena causing eclipse to get a wrong bundle
>>> into the IDE
>>>
>>> thanks for any hint where we should look
>>> --
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