Re: [platform-ui-dev] Oomph

[Stefan Xenos <sxenos@xxxxxxxxx>]

> Also, Oomph is very useful when bootstrapping the IDE to contribute to a project; once the IDE is set up, there is not much reason to wipe it out and try again the Oomph installer.

Actually, Oomph seems useful for more than just bootstrapping. They also have an update command in the help menu that pulls in updates to the configuration. We can use this whenever platform UI adds a new required plugin or source dependency to make sure all developers receive the new dependency without getting compiler errors. It also checks for configurations changes on restart, so any committer using oomph will automatically pull in project configuration changes every time they update.

You can also use it if you - for example - want to contribute to another project - such as SWT, JDT, or CDT, to update your environment with the union of the features you'll need. They also have things like dynamic working sets that will track the contents of the platform UI repository and a more robust target platform specification that will be less likely to produce workspace errors (there's a fair number of error scenarios that Oomph can handle and a target platform definition can't). So there's some very useful things that oomph does that are unrelated to initial setup.

> -1 for requiring everyone to use it, we should allow also the old flow

I'm fine with allowing it, but we shouldn't post both sets of instructions since that's confusing to new users. We also shouldn't be maintaining both the .psf + installer configuration files along with an oomph configuration, when the oomph configuration is superior.

  - Stefan

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Patrik Suzzi <psuzzi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think it is an excellent idea!

I'd like to help with customizing Oomph,
    but I think I'm missing some document to understand how to make it work.

Practically, we'll need to edit the configuration:
- By changing from Latest CI Build to Latest I-Build;
- by adding both Git and Gerrit repositories,
- by adding WorkingSets tied to projects coming from different repositories,
- and probably want to have the Option to use different Target Platforms.

I'm asking: Do we have the ability actually to work and edit the Oomph
setup file as we need?

The reason is > Currently I'm working to create an Oomph setup,
   and the only public document I know is the Oomph authoring guide (#1).
   In my case, I was not able to get all the information I needed from
that document (see #2 and#3)

References:
#1 - https://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Oomph_Authoring
#2 - https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/1725853/#msg_1725853
#3 - https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/1725843/#msg_1725843

Kind Regards,

Patrik Suzzi
R&D Software Engineer.
https://about.me/psuzzi

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> +1 for the creating an Oomph profile, I have this also on my Todo list but
> if you want, please take it.  AFAIK the update to the latest daily build is
> not well supported by Oomph
>
> I suggest to start with a bug
>
> -1 for requiring everyone to use it, we should allow also the old flow
>
> Am 08.03.2016 2:02 nachm. schrieb "Stefan Xenos" <sxenos@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> I'm at EclipseCon right now. I attended the Oomph tutorial yesterday and
>> was completely impressed by Oomph and its capabilities.
>>
>> It would make contributing to Platform UI much easier and the Oomph
>> developers have already set up a configuration for platform UI.
>>
>> I would like to propose that we adopt Oomph as the officially-endorsed
>> installer for working on platform UI. In particular:
>>
>> - That platform UI takes over ownership and maintenance of the platform UI
>> Oomph configuration.
>>
>> - We change the "contributing to Platform UI" wiki to describe the setup
>> steps for Oomph rather than the steps it has now.
>>
>> - That platform UI committers start using Oomph for their own local
>> installations. If we're all using it, we'll know when it breaks and have
>> incentive to keep the configuration up-to-date.
>>
>> I can volunteer to write the updated wiki, so everyone will have clear
>> steps to follow when they get set up.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>   - Stefan
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