Re: [platform-ant-dev] External Tags in Ant Editors outline

["Bob Foster" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx>]

A trio of thoughts.

First, shouldn't lump import and include together. They are very different.
Import is logical, include is textual. Import order not significant, include
order very significant. Etc. External entities are like include.

Second, the contents of an external entity are necessarily part of a
document in a validating parser only. A well-formed parser need not expand
external (or any other) entities. I gather Alf is taking the well-formed
side while you (and Ant) take the validating side. Each has its points, but
the validating point of view seems more fruitful.

Third, if you expand external entities in the outline view, users will
reasonably expect to be able to navigate from there to the source. Then
what? If you navigate into another editor, the outline view will reduce to
only the entity and the user can't use it to navigate back. (But the Back
arrow should work.) OTOH, if you navigate into the same editor, you have
opened the fold/unfold and the multiple-editors-same-resource cans of worms.
I'm not sure the Ant editor is the place to pioneer the latter innovation.
;-}

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Burns" <jared-eclipse@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <platform-ant-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [platform-ant-dev] External Tags in Ant Editors outline


Pro:
1. The parser returns the external entities as part of the file.
2. If you ask Ant to list the targets in a file, it will include targets
defined in external entities.
Con:
1. The Java editor doesn't allow you to expand imports in the outliner to
view
their contents.

Darin and I have gone back and forth on this a few times and the
conversation
has repeatedly come down to the nature of external entities: Are they
analagous to import/include statements or #define statements? That is,
should
we interpret them simply as references to outside files or should their
contents be inlined into the editor? Based on the way Ant and the parser
behave, we've been lead to believe that the contents of the external
entities
should be thought of as more or less inlined.

- Jared

On Tuesday 18 February 2003 03:25 am, Alf.Schiefelbein@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Out of interest how would you like to have external targets, etc be
>
> indicated
>
> > in the outline. Apache ant makes no such distinction (-projecthelp)
>
> I don't think that external tags belong into the outline. I understand the
> outline as a resemblance of the contents of the file, and since external
> entities are not in the file, they don't belong into the outline.
>
> alf
>
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