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Ian,
The following link provides a good example of the
flexibility and control offered by hotscript:
EPIC voting framework was patterned after
hotscripts by allowing registered and anonymous users to vote for a particular
product. Hotscripts also allows listing companies to include a "Vote for
me" button on their website. These "External" votes are all
anonymous.
The Hotscript vote management logic is far more
adept than EPIC in sorting out abuse and proxy servers. But that gap could
be easily bridged with the right know how.
In addition, abuse will not completely disappear by
forcing people to vote as evident in the "Eclipse Plugins" site. People
can register any number of anonymous email accounts (hotmail, yahoo, gmail,....)
with the right level of motivation. As such, we will need to improve how
we handle abuse "registered or anonymous" .
So to summarize the discussion; we have two
distinct issues that we need to address:
1. Discourage the "Spam" content from the
forums and similar rich content locations. +1 for doing what it
takes to do so.
2. Curtailing malicious and stacking of
votes/popularity measures. This is a much bigger issue than simply
limiting access to registered users.
Maher Masri
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:16
AM
Subject: RE: Restricting Access to
Anonymous Users
Maher,
I took a look at the hotscripts
site. I was wondering if you could be more specific about what you
like about their management of anonymous votes? It seems like
their ratings are based on a very small sample size, some of the top rated
plug-ins had less than 10 votes.
I agree that we should try to prohibit
proxies. Howver, I do believe it is becoming accepted practice to
require a user to register before voting/commenting. I am thinking of
sites like digg.com, dzone.com.
Ian
From:
phoenix-epic-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:phoenix-epic-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Maher Masri
Sent: July 11, 2006 10:27 PM
To: The EPIC component of
Phoenix
Subject:
[phoenix-epic-dev] RE: Restricting Access to Anonymous
Users
This issue is not new to EPIC or
any other popular site. Limiting forum access to registered users will
come at the price of convenience and will discourage many from participating
in the ongoing discussions. I'm Ok however with piloting the idea for
forum participation and see the impact.
As for generalizing the
requirement for all content (rating and comments), I would have to draw
attention to the Hotscripts site. They do a very good job of managing
anonymous votes and limiting abuse. I believe we can accomplish the same
by extending the existing abuse rules to account for proxy and malicious
votes.
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject:
RE: [phoenix-epic-dev] Restricting Access to Anonymous
Users
+1 to making this
change.
Id request other Phoenix committers to
please express their opinion.
Good Morning
all
I have been noticing that we are
starting to get an increase in the number of spam / porn / drug posts on our
forums. I would like to suggest that we remove all the posting
abilities for anonymous users from the site, This includes Ratings,
Comments, and Forums postings. I think going forward we need to
validate that our users are legitimate and not trying to game rankings as
seen in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=149319.
Another reminder that the EPIC
wiki can be found here http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/EPIC
Nathan
Gervais
nathan.gervais@xxxxxxxxxxx
Web
Developer
Eclipse Foundation
[http://www.eclipse.org]
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