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Re: [phoenix-dev] Interesting Quote

Yes, but we can't just bundle our IDE w/ a JDK and call it a day like Sun does. :) We have a much more diverse contributor community, so we need to represent those projects & the member companies. Or at least that's been the model until now, and with the recent addition of ads, I'm guessing that we're not planning to move in a more "code first, companies & projects second" direction. It's still producers over products at this point, which for Joe "I just want to download an IDE" Average-User, there's (apparently) a lot of overhead.

I notice there's a too-subtle link on the homepage for "New to Eclipse?" [1] -- could that link be enhanced to get its own graphical hero spot?

[1] http://www.eclipse.org/home/newcomers.php

On the Newcomers FAQ page [1], the details on how to download Eclipse are buried as text links just barely above the fold. Where are the pretty orange download links? The per-package icons? Why do we bury important links as text instead of obvious navigational links & graphical buttons? (I'm guilty of this too.)

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Maybe we need some sort of download wizard or "Eclipse Experience Optimizer" like what Rogers has recently installed [2] for determining what type of user you are & therefore what level of bandwidth you require:

[2] http://www.rogers.com/keepingpace/

"New to Eclipse? Click here to choose the best Eclipse download for your needs."

A simple UI for selecting the various options available through EPP [3] by asking a few questions might be considered easier than what we have now.

[3] http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php

It would also be great if everything had a consistent look and feel, unlike, say, http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/ which is STILL blue, 2 years after the rise of the Phoenix. Yeccch.

$0.02,

Nick


On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.indicthreads.com/articles/1189/netbeans_jdeveloper_eclipse_java_ide.html

 

Money quote (emphasis mine):

 

jdeveloper netbeans eclipseDownload & Installation - The installation procedures for all three tools are simple enough. You either have to run an installer or have to extract a compressed file and you are ready to go. Downloading NetBeans and JDeveloper is easier than Eclipse as Eclipse has one of the most confusing websites around. 10s of projects and 100s of download possibilities.

 

Looks like we still have some serious work to do.

 

Mike Milinkovich

Executive Director

Eclipse Foundation, Inc.

Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228

Mobile: +1.613.220.3223

mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

blog: http://milinkovich.blogspot.com


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