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Re: [phoenix-dev] Another /projects/ page experiment
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I don't think we're being consistent just for the sake of it; otherwise,
the downloads page *would* have those dull, ugly purple boxes that you
hate (and so would the home page). Your candy-coloured page was, IMHO
deemed inconsistent because it just looked out-of-place on our otherwise
Purple[1] site. Great idea, bad execution.
As I previously said, I'll draft something up when I get a minute.
Please be patient. It won't be today.
FWIW, there is no guide to "what's correct" on our site. I didn't write
one because I don't think I need to. And if I did, would you even follow
its guidelines?
I think we need to gave a good old-fashioned team call soon, so that you
can vent your frustrations with our current site, project and its
philosophy. I'll keep you posted.
D.
[1] I think we all agree that the current Purple site is not going to
win any beauty awards anytime soon, but no one on the team has any huge
amounts of available time or cash to radically change it.
Bjorn Freeman-Benson wrote:
It's like I can't win...
1. The audience I support (committers and contributors) want more
relevant information and easier to find information for and about
projects on the eclipse.org website.
2. Pages with too much information are bad
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=161158#c1)
3. Pages with information than #2, aimed at audiences as per bug
161158c#1 are bad
(http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/phoenix-dev/msg00715.html)
4. Candy-color buttons are "inconsistent with the rest of the web
site" - perhaps because they don't use purple boxes? And yet other
pages of the website (http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/) don't use
purple boxes either.
5. Purple boxes as per the page layout
(http://wiki.eclipse.org/Using_Phoenix#Phoenix_page_layout) are
"out of place"
6. So I look for a "Phoenix style guide" but both eclipse.org search
and Google search doesn't reveal any documentation on the
"standard look & feel" as described in
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/phoenix-dev/msg00715.html I
did find the Phoenix documentation,
(http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Phoenix_Documentation) but it
just tells me how to use php files and a few of the css files...
There isn't a style guide or description of what is "correct"
eclipse.org website style anywhere that I could find.
I'm not against consistency, but I am against consistency for the sake
of consistency. "... anytime someone on your team starts talking about
making things consistent, change the conversation to be about what the
users’ current knowledge is."
(http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2005/09/15/consistency-in-design-is-the-wrong-approach/)
(For example, https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=118282#c17
explaining how project websites end up having two "download" links that
go to different places - it's "consistent" but very confusing.)
So... what's a person (me) who's trying to provide value to an audience
(the committers, contributors, and curious users of the Projects)
supposed to do? Give me a hint...
- Bjorn
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