RE: [phoenix-dev] New Phoenix Committer

["Ian Skerrett" <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Bjorn,

 

I am not sure why you are creating a higher standard for Nathan.  When Mike nominated Donald to be a committer you did not have these concerns?

 

Regarding your suggestions to move forward, why is it not good enough to have the discussion on a public mailing list?   A lot of the work done on the web site is content related and we have not been entering bugzilla requests for these types of things.  Starting to enter bugzilla requesst just to have Nathan voted as a committer seems artificial and bureaucratic.

 

Regardless, here is what I believe Nathan has done and I believe it is available for all to review.

 

1.  Matt has already voted a +1 and referred to a bug # that Nathan has done.   

2. Denis is out of the office but he did check-in the code for the updates Nathan did to these pages:  http://www.eclipse.org/community/rcp.php, http://www.eclipse.org/community/rcpos.php, http://www.eclipse.org/community/rcpcp.php.   I also reviewed these pages before they were checked in.

3. Nathan has been working with Susan on the RSS feeds and a community bulletin.   One example is http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20060309cb_elections.php.

4. Nathan will be doing a number of pages for the Eclipse Awards.  I will review them and commit them next week.  Unfortunately they can not go public until March 21, for obvious reasons.

 

Bjorn, are there specific things you would like Nathan to work on, so you can review his work?

 

Ian

 

 

 

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From: phoenix-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:phoenix-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bjorn Freeman-Benson
Sent: March 9, 2006 4:15 PM
To: For developers on the new Eclipse.org website project.
Subject: Re: [phoenix-dev] New Phoenix Committer

 

Given that I have vetoed Nathan's immediate election as a Phoenix committer, I should state what I think we should do to move him towards a place where I will remove my veto. So...

What I am looking for is public evidence of Nathan's skills - public in a way that someone who is not working with/directing Nathan can use the same evidence to decide that Nathan has the skills and judgement necessary to be a committer. This can be done by having bugs in bugzilla that Nathan fixes with patches, having a committer apply those patches, and having the committer report back in the bug that the patch was good and close the bug. This allows others to see and evaluate for themsevles: (1) the difficult of the problem being solved (the bug); (2) the quality of the fix (the patch file and the number of times it had to be re-spun); and (3) a public statement of the committer's opinion of the work (the comment from the commiter when closing the bug).

I'd also like to see Nathan work with three different existing committers and thus get three different reviews of his code. I understand that he has worked with Ian and with Susan, although I'm not sure (because there is no bugzilla traceability) whether both Ian and Susan committed his files/patches or just Susan did?  Anyway, three seperate, independent evaluations done in public (bugzilla) and I will definitely remove my veto.

Please note that all of this had nothing to do with Nathan - it's just standard "before electing a new committer to an Eclipse project" process. Really.

- Bjorn