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Re: [paho-dev] Retrying message sending in the Java implementation

MQTT 3.1.1 specification:

4.4 Message Delivery Retry

When a Client reconnects with CleanSession set to 0, both the Client and Server MUST re-send any unacknowledged PUBLISH Packets (where QoS > 0) and PUBREL Packets using their original Packet Identifiers [MQTT-4.4.0-1]. This is the only circumstance where a Client or Server is REQUIRED to redeliver messages.


Non normative comment
Historically retransmission of Control Packets was required to overcome data loss on some older TCP networks. This might remain a concern where MQTT 3.1.1 implementations are to be deployed in such environments.


MQTT 3.1 specification:

4.2. Message delivery retry


Although TCP normally guarantees delivery of packets, there are certain scenarios where an MQTT message may not be received. In the case of MQTT messages that expect a response (QoS >0 PUBLISH, PUBREL, SUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE), if the response is not received within a certain time period, the sender may retry delivery. The sender should set the DUP flag on the message.

The retry timeout should be a configurable option. However care must be taken to ensure message delivery does not timeout while it is still being sent. For example, sending a large message over a slow network will naturally take longer than a small message over a fast network. Repeatedly retrying a timed-out message could often make matters worse so a strategy of increasing the timeout value across multiple retries should be used.


When a client reconnects, if it is not marked clean session, both the client and server should redeliver any previous in-flight messages.

Other than this "on reconnect" retry behaviour, clients are not required to retry message delivery. Brokers, however, should retry any unacknowledged message.


So even in 3.1, clients weren't required to retry except on reconnect.  3.1.1 still allows it, but lowers the emphasis further.  As I said previously, my experience has shown it to be undesirable in practice.

Ian

On 08/08/2017 17:05, Paolo Patierno wrote:
Thank Ian,

I lost this change from MQTT 3.1 to 3.1.1 and my .Net implementation has this feature still there.
Working on the native Vert.x MQTT client I was re-thinking about that and all the related problems but then I checked the Paho Java. You reply fixed the problem at the beginning :)
No need for such implementation.

Can you point me to the MQTT 3.1 paragraph spec where the retried are described for on going sessions and the where MQTT 3.1.1 remove that please ?

Thanks
Paolo

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Subject: Re: [paho-dev] Retrying message sending in the Java implementation
 

The retry while a session is active behaviour was removed from MQTT 3.1.1 (versus MQTT 3.1).  In 3.1.1  the only time retries are attempted are at reconnection time. 


In practice, I found that this behaviour caused more problems than it solved.  The usual reason for acks taking a long time would be an overloaded system, which retrying only exacerbated.


Ian


On 08/08/2017 16:38, De Alti, Cristiano wrote:

Ciao Paolo,

  Last time I've checked, message delivery retry was not implemented by Paho and there is no consensus on wheter it should be.

If you have time you may want to read this long thread [1].


Ciao,

  Cristiano


[1] https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/paho-dev/msg03431.html



Da: paho-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <paho-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> per conto di Paolo Patierno <ppatierno@xxxxxxxx>
Inviato: martedì 8 agosto 2017 17:20:09
A: General development discussions for paho project
Oggetto: [paho-dev] Retrying message sending in the Java implementation
 

Hi guys,

am I right saying that the Eclipse Paho Java implementation doesn't have a built in feature for retrying.

I mean, for example, if a QoS 1 packet is sent (and it's alive in the outbound qos1 queue) but the related PUBACK isn't received after a certain "timeout", the client doesn't resend the same PUBLISH packet with duplicate = true but it just continues to wait for the ack.

The re-send is active "only" in case the client goes down and the state is recovered from a persistent storage so the PUBLISH is re-sent.

Is that right ?


Thanks,


Paolo Patierno
Senior Software Engineer (IoT) @ Red Hat
Microsoft MVP on Windows Embedded & IoT
Microsoft Azure Advisor 

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