Re: [mddi-dev] Re: [modeling-pmc] MDDi archival

[Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Anne,

I'll be on vacation and unavailable
July 20-29.


Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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Anne Jacko <emo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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07/02/2008 11:18 PM

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To	Richard Gronback <richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx>
cc	Janet Campbell <janet.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "MDDi project developer discussions." <mddi-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, PMC members mailing list <modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject	Re: [mddi-dev] Re: [modeling-pmc] MDDi archival

Rich, et al --

Just a note to say that July review dates are still being determined,  
and the MDDi review might be on July 23 rather than July 30. I hope  
that is OK. Please let me know if it's not. Thanks.

Anne Jacko
emo@xxxxxxxxxxx




On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Richard Gronback wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> The Termination Review is tentatively scheduled for Wednesday, July
 
> 30th.
> Look for it listed in the next review call announcement.
>
> As for MDDi participation, you're welcome (encouraged) to attend and
 
> present
> your case.
>
> Best Regards,
> Rich
>
>
> On 7/2/08 12:42 PM, "Tom Ritter" <tom.ritter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Richard,
>>
>> Richard Gronback wrote:
>>> As discussed on the last Modeling PMC call, we are asking
for a  
>>> Termination
>>> Review and archival of the MDDi project.  Unfortunately,
a number  
>>> of issues
>>> have existed with MDDi related to scope and contribution level
for  
>>> quite
>>> some time.  An attempt to reboot the project following
the  
>>> departure of
>>> Sebastien Demathieu has seemingly failed.
>>
>> I'm sorry to hear that this is your impression, although I do
not  
>> share
>> this view.
>>
>>>
>>> On the activity side, it's clear from newsgroup and mailing
list  
>>> history
>>> that the project is either not active, or not open and transparent:
>>>
>>> http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/mddi-dev/maillist.html
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/thread.php?group=eclipse.modeling.mddi
>>>
>>> Note that the last newsgroup posting on 04/11 with an offer
to  
>>> contribute to
>>> the project has gone unanswered.
>>
>> In fact some of the mddi members were contacted directly in  
>> parallel and
>> therefore this request has been answered via this channel.
>>
>>>
>>> Similarly, the dash shows CVS activity is quite low:
>>> http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/summary.cgi?company=y&month=x&p
>>> roject=modeling.mddi
>>
>> I think there are other projects with less activity in CVS.
>>
>>>
>>> Given the increased sensitivity to IP cleanliness concerns,
a  
>>> quick scan of
>>> MDDi's CVS repository (still in Technology, not yet moved
to  
>>> Modeling's
>>> repo), a number of 3rd party libraries are present and provided
in
>>
>> BTW: when I took over the lead the root of MDDi's CVS was something
I
>> was really wondering about, I did not know that this was something
 
>> I had
>> to fix.
>>
>>> downloads, though they are not all covered by IPZilla Contribution
>>> Questionnaires, not to mention they should be consumed from
Orbit,  
>>> where
>>> available:
>>>
>>> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.mddi/org.eclipse.mddi.m
>>> odelbus/org.eclipse.mddi.modelbus.adapter/lib/axis/? 
>>> root=Technology_Project
>>>
>>> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.mddi/org.eclipse.mddi.m
>>> odelbus/org.eclipse.mddi.modelbus.notification/lib/? 
>>> root=Technology_Project
>>>
>>> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.mddi/org.eclipse.mddi.m
>>> odelbus/org.eclipse.mddi.modelbus.registry/lib/? 
>>> root=Technology_Project
>>>
>>> IPZilla query on all MDDi CQs:
>>> https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc
>>> _type 
>>> = 
>>> allwordssubstr 
>>> &short_desc=&product=modeling&component=modeling.mddi&lo
>>> ng_desc_type 
>>> =substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_
>>> loc 
>>> = 
>>> &keywords_type 
>>> =allwords&keywords=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substri
>>> ng 
>>> &email1 
>>> =&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substr
>>> ing 
>>> &email2 
>>> =&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalu
>>> e=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last 
>>> +time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0
>>> =noop&value0-0-0=
>>
>> I was not aware of this problem and it would have been nice to
get a
>> pointer to that beforehand to deal with this problem.
>>
>>>
>>> No regular builds are provided, with the last one being from
13  
>>> Nov 2007,
>>> and the one prior to that dated 01 August 2006.  It's
recommended  
>>> that all
>>> Modeling projects provide releng using the common builder
>>> (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_Project_Releng), though
 
>>> minimally it is
>>> expected that projects provide regular milestones and keep
current  
>>> with
>>> underlying dependencies.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, right this is something which is not in best shape. But it
 
>> could be
>> improved.
>>
>>> The MDDi website indicates it's an incubating project, but
it does  
>>> not
>>> conform to the list of requirements:
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/parallel-ip-process.php#Conformi
>>> ng
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I did not manage to bring the incubation logo on
the
>> website, since I'm not experienced in PHP programming. But we
can  
>> easily
>> change the Bundle-names. However, MDDi is still in incubation,
so  
>> it is
>> a non-conforming incubation project and clearly marked as such,
as
>> several other Eclipse projects are.
>>
>>
>>> Given the information above, it seems we should move forward
with  
>>> archival
>>> of the project
>>> (http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php#6_2_6_A
>>> rchived).  Of course, the 3rd party libraries should
be deleted  
>>> before the
>>> project is archived.
>>
>> Again I'm very sorry to hear this and I wonder if there is a chance
 
>> to
>> do anything about it.
>>
>>>
>>> The Modeling PMC hereby requests the scheduling of a Termination
 
>>> Review for
>>> the MDDi project.
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php#6_3_6_Te
>>> rmination_Review
>>>
>>
>> Who is requested to schedule a termination review and what do
you  
>> expect
>> from MDDi side for this review?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Tom
>>
>

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