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Re: [modeling-pmc] Re: JCRManagement Project Pre-Proposal
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Sandro,
It's probably a good idea for you to come to our next PMC meeting so we can
all talk about this. The call-in information is at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Modeling_PMC_Meeting%2C_2007-02-20
Does that work for you?
Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
Sandro Böhme
<sandro.boehme@gm
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Re: [modeling-pmc] Re:
02/06/2007 04:27 JCRManagement Project Pre-Proposal
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sandro.boehme@gmx
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>>From my perspective, while I find the proposal interesting, I wonder
about
> popularity and diversity from a contribution standpoint. Also, is there
an
As the JCR Browser gets integrated into the Eclipse Corona project I
participated in the their weekly telephone conference. There they told
me, that they are interested in using the JCR Management project. I
think with Corona and Apogee I have some interesting use cases to align
the requirements of the JCR Management project in more detail.
> initial contribution, or is this all new development? This can all come
out
> during the proposal phase (technically, you're in the pre-proposal phase
> now), but it will be important.
>
> Also, notice that under the newly updated and Board approved development
> process, you'll need to find 2 mentors from the Architecture Council
willing
> to sponsor this project, among other process points:
>
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Development_Process_2006_Revision_Final#Pr
> oject_Lifecycle
>
> I look forward to hearing more.
>
> Best Regards,
> Rich
>
>
> On 1/28/07 8:41 AM, "Ed Merks" <merks@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>>Sandro,
>>
>>I see. That makes sense. I'll have some discussions with a few people
and
>>then likely I'll have some follow-up questions shortly. I'll be
interested
>>in comments from the other PMC members...
>>
>>
>>Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>>mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
>>905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sandro Böhme
>> <sandro.boehme@gm
>> x.de>
To
>> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>> 01/27/2007 12:33
cc
>> PM modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
Subject
>> Re: JCRManagement Project
>> Please respond to Pre-Proposal
>> sandro.boehme@gmx
>> .de
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Ed,
>>
>>Apogee's scope are "only" ECM systems while using a fixed domain model.
>>The scope of the JCRManagement project is to create arbitary domain
>>models and it is open to every kind of application - not "only" ECM
>>system. The idea is more to enhance the modelling projects with the
>>integration of the JCR - similar to the Teneo project which integrates
>>relational databases with hibernate.
>>
>>Bye,
>>
>>Sandro
>>
>>Ed Merks wrote:
>>
>>>Sandro,
>>>
>>>I did see that, but I didn't follow the discussion link and should have.
>>>I think this probably argues that the best fit for this proposal would
be
>>>as part of the Apogee project. Does that make sense to you, or are you
>>>looking for something a little different?
>>>
>>>
>>>Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>>>mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> Sandro Böhme
>>
>>> <sandro.boehme@gm
>>
>>> x.de>
>>
>>To
>>
>>> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>>
>>> 01/27/2007 11:55
>>
>>cc
>>
>>> AM sandro.boehme@xxxxxxxxx,
>>
>>> modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>Subject
>>
>>> Please respond to Re: JCRManagement Project
>>
>>> sandro.boehme@gmx Pre-Proposal
>>
>>> .de
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Ed,
>>>
>>>thanks for your feedback. I had the same concerns when I heared about
>>>Apogee. But I discussed it with them and found out, that they do have a
>>>more high level scope and that the JCRM project could be useful for
>>>them. You will find the details about it in the last chapter of my
>>>proposal. Maybe you missed it as it is quite short. There is also a link
>>>to the discussion in the mailing list where I still called my project
>>>JCR Explorer.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Sandro
>>>
>>>PS: You don't need to work on the weekend for this proposal.
>>>
>>>--
>>>https://www.xing.com/profile/Sandro_Boehme
>>>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sandroboehme
>>>http://www.wingsuit.de
>>>
>>>Ed Merks wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sandro,
>>>>
>>>>This looks very interesting but it immediately raises questions about
how
>>>>this relates to other existing projects and particularly how it relates
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>Apogee, i.e., http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/apogee/ and
>>>>http://www.eclipse.org/apogee/. I think there need to be discussions
>>>>with the Apogee folks because Eclipse will not generally allow two
>>>
>>>projects
>>>
>>>
>>>>with overlapping scope to exist. This issue seems to represent a road
>>>>block and I'm not sure how that can be resolved.
>>>>
>>>>I've added the modeling PMC to the mailing list to solicit the opinions
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>the PMC as a whole as to whether this proposal fits within the scope
our
>>>>the Modeling project. My sense is that, like the Apogee project, it
>>>>probably belongs in the Eclipse technology project, and that perhaps it
>>>>should be part of the Apogee project...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>>>>mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sandro Böhme
>>>
>>>
>>>> <sandro.boehme@gm
>>>
>>>
>>>> x.de>
>>>
>>>To
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>>>
>>>
>>>> 01/25/2007 06:56
>>>
>>>cc
>>>
>>>
>>>> AM sandro.boehme@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>Subject
>>>
>>>
>>>> JCRManagement Project
Pre-Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello Ed,
>>>>
>>>>attached you find a pre-proposal of a project that use synergies of EMF
>>>>and the JCR (JSR-170). Once there is a JCR integration
>>>>into EMF (and the Eclipse-MDSD world) I personally think this
>>>>could open a very wide range of possibilities and features for
>>>>the JCR world and could grow to a very strong community.
>>>>What do you think, is it possible to integrate the JCR into EMF
>>>>in the way I planned it (or in an other way)? I'm really
>>>>looking forward to your opinion!
>>>>
>>>>++ Background Details ++
>>>>I think I should tell you a bit more about my motivation for this
>>>
>>>project.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Since some years I'm leading a small project that uses it's own CMS for
>>>>a web site. In 2004 I was very excited seeing the JSR-170 started
>>>>because it addressed problems that we have in our project. This is why
I
>>>> dived into this world in various ways (Graffito Committer Emeritus,
>>>>Jackrabbit Contributor, JCR Browser Project Lead). In this time I've
>>>>seen some problems coming up like:
>>>>o there is no "JCR Browser with editing capabilities",
>>>>o what can I use as basis for my JCR application,
>>>>o migrating node types is hard in a 24/7 environment and
>>>>o mapping of JCR types to Java types is not too easy.
>>>>In 2005 I started to learn about Model Driven Software Development and
>>>>later I had a chance to evaluate MDSD frameworks and tools for our
>>>>company. The result was that Eclipse has good frameworks as a basis and
>>>>oAW has a good set of M2M and M2T tools. With MDSD and Eclipse know how
>>>>I think the mentioned JCR problems can be solved quite elegant.
>>>>o The solution for the "JCR Browser with editing capabilities" could be
>>>>an exemplary EMF tool.
>>>>o An JCR ecore model, EMF resource implementations and the exemplary
EMF
>>>>tool could serve as a basis for JCR applications.
>>>>o Migrating node types can be done type safe with M2M transformations.
>>>>o For the type mapping the EMF tooling could fit quite good.
>>>>On top of that I think GMF can add very interesting features for the
CMS
>>>>world. I hope that gives you some background to this project.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>Sandro
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>https://www.xing.com/profile/Sandro_Boehme
>>>>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sandroboehme
>>>>http://www.wingsuit.de
>>>>(See attached file: JCRManagement_V2.doc)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>https://www.xing.com/profile/Sandro_Boehme
>>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sandroboehme
>>http://www.wingsuit.de
>>
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