Re: [hyades-dev] U2TP Compliance of 3.0 driver

[Harm Sluiman <sluiman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I would suggest a slight rewording ;-)

We are all interested in alignment,
but it is simply too late to make these changes across the board for 3.0
and that has been the case since ~ Feb given the work involved. We have
to maintain consistent documentation. We have also had to prioritize this
work against all the other functional enhancements. The number of migrations
we take project dependants through has to be kept to a minimum as well.
Both our examples and many of the projects building on top of Hyades are
not making good use of the models and we need to start address that as
 a high priority. 

Unfortunately we just ran out of time,
as all development efforts do ;-)


Thanks for your time.
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Serge Lucio <slucio@xxxxxxxxxx>
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04/21/2004 09:49 AM

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First, the U2TP should be finally adopted next week at the OMG meeting
in St. Louis, MO. At that point the UML 2.0 Testing Profile will be an
OMG standard. A Revision Task Force will be created at the same time to
overlook the maintenance of the standard until at least the UML 2.0 is
adopted as a standard later this year. 

With respect to Hyades, I think we should do our best to re-align the terminology
to the UML 2.0 Testing Profile, at least on the user interface. In addition
to that, I've raised a couple of times the mapping issues we have with
our manual and HTTP samples: They are somewhat misleading for someone trying
to understand how the U2TP should be used to "model" tests. I
guess we should do our best effort to re-align, but I've yet to find people
ready to invest time and energy in doing so. 

Thanks, Serge.

Serge Lucio
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Mike Norman <Michael.Norman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Harm,

Overall I think the position is as you state, but the non-final aspect
relates mainly to the behavioural piece, not things like test case/suite/context
which are I think more stable, and there are many fewer people affected
if we change now than if we make breaking changes post 3.0 when we have
more widespread adoption. 

Can we have a view from Serge?

Harm Sluiman wrote: 

I believe that Hyades declared it would assess becoming U2TP compliant
once 2 constraints where met. At one time we thought that would be in this
time frame. 

1. UML2 and the U2TP proposals were actually ratified and fully approved
at OMG. My understanding is that this is close but not yet the case.

2. We have access to the UML2 eclipse project in order to exploit it as
needed. My understanding is that this project is now underway, but it is
not far enough along for us to make 3.0 commitments of dependancy.

These two fact lead me to conclude we are not intending to be UML2 or U2TP
compliant in this release. Making incremental adjustments along the way
that are not API breaking may be feasible on a case by case basis, but
other than that, the cost of migration utilities and support for backward
compatibility is not something we wanted to commit to.

Thanks for your time.
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One of the things that came up at the management call was the U2TP 
compliance or otherwise of the M9 driver.  I believe that we stated
Hyades would be U2TP compliant.  This means if we are not we should
raise bugs.  I am not personally competent to check for compliance,
and 
unfortunately Serge who is the interface point with the U2TP wasn't on
the call.  I have asked George Din to check with Ina Schieferdecker
at 
FOKUS, however I would like to raise the following issues which seem to
be floating aound and see if we can close them over email.

1) We seem to use Test Suite instead of the now-current Test Context
2) The Manual Test and the HTTP Test seem to use Test Suite and Test 
Case where they should be using Test Case and Test Component
3) There seems to be some concept of a Test Motivator floating around 
that we don't understand.

Feedback on this ASAP would be good.


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