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RE: [higgins-dev] Notes from today's Higgins Developers Call
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Apologies, I thought the call was cancelled.
jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: higgins-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:higgins-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Ruddy
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:38 PM
> To: 'Higgins (Trust Framework) Project developer discussions'
> Subject: [higgins-dev] Notes from today's Higgins Developers Call
>
> Attendees
> =========
> Alex Amies - IBM
> *Paula Austel - IBM
> Jeff Broberg CA
> Andy Hodgkinson - Novell
> *Duane Buss - Novell
> *Greg Byrd - NCSU/IBM
> *Brian Carrol - Serena
> *Tom Doman - Novell
> *Valery Kokhan - Parity Ukraine
> *David Kuehr-Mclaren - IBM
> *Mike McIntosh - IBM
> *Tony Nadalin - IBM
> Nataraj Nagaratnam - IBM
> Dale Olds - Novell
> *Uppili Srinivasan - Oracle
> *Mary Ruddy - Parity/SocialPhysics
> *Markus Sabedello
> *Jim Sermersheim - Novell
> *George Sanchez - Serena
> *Daniel Sanders
> Abhi Schelat - IBM
>
> --
> * Present
>
> Regrets
> =======
> Numerous people still in transit back from IIW
>
>
> Agenda
> ------
> 1) Successful IIW in Mountain View this week
> ** OSIS interop event and new capabilities
> ** HBX and identity selector rationalization
> ** OSP
> 2) Configuration component
> 3) Discovery component
> 4) IdAS Update
>
> 1. Successful IIW in Mountain View this week.
> Mary: We had a successful IIW in Mountain View this week.
> Many thanks to the people who worked on making new versions
> of the software/ hosted services available for the show.
> There were numerous Higgins sessions including speed geeking
> demonstrations on day 1 and a successful OSIS interop event.
>
> Mary: In preparation for interop event being held at Catalyst
> next month, OSIS held a working interop event at the show.
> Multiple Higgins components were represented:
> Tony: We used the Eclipse Higgins STS (that is now hosted at
> Eclipse) with a little IDP wrapper. Also demonstrated the
> latest version of the Java HBX. Previously there had been
> separate local and remote version.
> Now these have been merged.
> Mary: Also the "native" version of the Higgins Identity
> selector was shown (not yet checked in.)
> Tony: The interop featured:
> *5 identity selectors (two Higgins versions)
> *7-9 dip
> *11 RP's
> Tables will be available soon, pretty good coverage.
> There were a few problems. Mike fixed a few bugs. Burton is
> pretty happy.
> Mary: There are a number of action items from the
> demonstrations. A lot of good work was done in preparation
> for the event, but there is much clean-up work to be done.
> Need to determine what can be done before the Burton Interop
> Event in June, and what will be done afterwards.
> Candidate items include
> *Fix a bunch of bugs
> *UI - make consistent between Java and Native identity
> selectors *Determine consistent names for these, perhaps
> Higgins TBD A/TBD B Identity Selectors
> Tony: Also need to address architecture issues. Consistency
> of functionality between the two offerings. Need to change
> the architecture depending on resources
> Tony: Need to have two working calls next week to work through these
> issues:
> Mary: Once everyone is back from IIW we can schedule these.
> ??? Are the UI issues a product of language differences? Need
> to have same interfaces and presentation.
> Tony: I'm all for multiple language implementation sets.
> Right now it looks like you need to have both versions, as
> they appear to have different functionality.
> Mary: Also need to work on the packaging. "HBX" needs to be
> end user installable.
>
> Mary: Microsoft posted their updated Open Specification
> Promise during IIW. There are additional updated
> specifications now available. It did not cover the UI.
> Tony: There are things that we need that are still not
> covered. He will review in detail.
>
>
> 2. Configuration Component
> Greg: Trying to start discussion on the list and get
> requirements. Have a start on that. Needs to be used for
> initialization and dynamic configuration. Settings and
> persistence not settled yet.
> Mike: Has checked in some stuff this morning.
> Greg: Need to know what we want to build before we build it.
> How components related to each other and set of configuration
> methods.
> Mike: All of the different service elements of STS implement
> configurable components.
> Greg: He envisioned the iconfig object. One difference is in the map.
> He was thinking of a separate step to make it persistent.
> David: He made some comments: There need to be handlers to
> read/write from persistent store.
> Mike: Type info is more for documentation...
>
> 3. Discovery
> Jim: Discovery - Does Markus have a list of questions o
> gather requirements?
> Markus: No new questions. He put all he knows in a document.
> Jim: So what we all need to do is review the document. Does
> it include a proposal for moving forward?
> Markus: Need to get the big picture about Higgins
> Jim: The best thing would be to look at the architecture wiki
> page.and diagram. See which components have a pattern of
> interfaces and providers of interfaces - these need to be
> discoverable. Notion of a provider and implementations that
> need that provider interface
> Mary: May sometimes want something to be discoverable and
> sometimes not
> Jim: Ask the component owners. What are the characteristics
> they need with respect to discover. Markus's document was
> dated May 7. Paul sent some corrections to the list. People
> should start from Paul's version.
>
> 4. Discovery
> Jim: Most of update changes are done. He sent out an email
> on one dangling change - on context relationships. He still
> needs to put that in. He is sure that there are CP's that
> haven't moved to the latest version.
> Jim: Will let us know when I'm done, and then do a role call
> on where all the other CP's are. Hasn't seen anything from
> Jena. JNDI is pretty close, it is compiling. JSpolicy
> doesn't compile - Duane working on it.
> OpenID and XMIfile are brought up to standard. All the
> dependent projects working now too.
> Jim: Then will work on refactoring packages. This is a topic
> for another phone call as we are out of time. The issue is
> that if Jim is making a big change to IdAS, such as Update,
> it would take him a long time to go through all of his
> dependencies and fix them. One model is that in this case,
> Jim makes all the changes. But he may not have the expertise
> in all the packages, and it could take him a very long time.
> If he just checks in his changes, then everything is broken.
> The other suggestion is to make packages dependent on a
> stable jar file. This is treating other Higgins projects like
> external 3rd party projects. Another approach is clever use
> of CVS tags and branches.
> Mary: As we move towards V1.0, and milestone 0.9 that focuses
> on packaging, we need to start practicing stable build practices.
> Jim: We may need someone to wear a project management hat to
> make sure the right things happen with respect to refactorings.
>
>
> Action items
> *All: Review Paul's updated version of Markus' discovery
> draft and provide comments
> *Mary: Schedule 2 calls for the week of May 21 to discuss
> next steps for HBX and the native identity selector,
> especially what can be done before Catalyst. Once people are
> back from Catalyst, they should let the list know when they
> are available for these working calls. If there are
> additional items that need to be addressed, let me know.
> *Tony: Itemize needed items not covered by the latest OSP
> *All Component owners review their components with respect to
> discovery needs.
> *Topic for another call, general process for refactoring packages
>
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