Re: [europa-build-workshop] Model/Sample Build

[Kim Moir <Kim_Moir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Pete, just to clarify, the document
you referenced was written by Markus Barchfeld, Zuehlke Engineering  with
help from Pascal Rapicault and Sonia Dimitrov (Eclipse project  team).
 I believe that if the article needs to be updated,  this can
be done by the original author or the eclipse community.

Kim

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The document below, that Kim references, is an excellent
one. The PDE build document whopping 25 pages long. I'm glad it is available
though. When it comes to providing a full definitive reference about the
workings of PDE builds, this document fully meets that need. 

We were able to get our ECF PDE headless build going using the document.
In order to develop our PDE build for ECF, I studied this 25 page document
as an occasional background effort for the better part of a month. Over
this time frame, I learned that our required PDE build answers I needed
were all indeed this document.

What I learned--the hard way, with many hours of effort--is that what I
needed to know about the specific steps to create a PDE build can be narrowed
down to two, possibly three pages.

One of my Europa Build Workshop Report => Common Build Infrastructure
tasks is to get our ECF PDE build running under the Common Build Infrastructure
(CBI). Presently I'm working on this development task. When this task
is complete, I will provide a short two to four pages describing how we
approached our PDE build for ECF under the CBI. At this time, I do not
have an ETA for this document as my ECF / CBI work is a part-time task
for me due to paying client commitments and documentation is one of the
last task deliverables I will provide.

Please appreciate that I am not suggesting in any way that the Build
and Test Automation for plug-ins and features document be replaced.
Its a valuable a valuable reference. It should be Kim's judgement, not
mine, on what needs to be refreshed.

Pete Mackie
Seaquest Software
503.531.0252
http://www.seaquest.com

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At 12:19 PM 10/10/2006, Kim Moir wrote:

Another option might be to include a zip with examples
with your article that people could use instead of including it in a cvs
repository as a project.  That way you wouldn't be responsible for
continually updating code to meet new requirements.  We used to try
to keep our build scripts in a format that would allow other teams to use
them as a templates.  We stopped doing this because it's extremely
time consuming to help multiple teams get their builds started and it took
too much time away from our other work :-)        
                    
                     
                
Here's a very compresensive existing article about setting about builds,
but some of the content could be refreshed to account for new functionality.
http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-PDE-Automation/automation.html

Anyways, just my 2 cents. 

Kim

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Hey All, 

I drew the action item to write up a wiki page that pulls together the
best practices, a living build, and a write up, to solicit a vote:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Europa_Build_Workshop_Report#Action_Items_for_BBP
October 15 

We had originally considered using the DSDP-DD build as the model build
since they had recently, successfully used the available resources and
procedures to construct their build. 
Since then they have been busy converting their build control over to Buckminster,
so they may not be the best candidate for the Europa era best practices
model. 

So, to complete this action item I think we have three possibilities from
here: 

1) Find a different project to use as the model build
2) Wait for the DSDP folk to finish up their Buckminster work and include
that in the model description 
3) Create a new trivial Eclipse project as a sample project, construct
its build to adhere to all the best practices of the Europan era, put it
in the build stream, and write it up as the model build.

I favor option 3 since, to my eyes, it fits into the l model of Eclipse
examples and tutorials that already exist. 
It also makes the model build available for folks to download and tinker
with and it could become the blank template from which one would start
constructing their own build. 
The con is that someone has to construct this thing, keep it up to date
through Europa initially, then modify it in the future to meet any new
best practices adopted in future releases. 
In terms of downstream dependencies it might represent a small risk to
the release. 


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