If we followed the minimalistic reasoning to its conclusion, we would have an IDE that opened to a blank window and relied on the user to discover what corners they need to tickle to tease out the tooling they need. :)
When determining whether the tasks view belongs in the Java perspective, we should be asking this question:
Does a typical Java developer need to interact with a bug tracking system?
Keep in mind that the default perspectives setup isn’t there for Eclipse pros who will customize their perspectives anyway and no two will agree on what should be where. The default setup is really there so that a novice user can get started relatively quickly without hunting around for tools that they need.
We also need to be careful to keep project boundaries out of IDE the product decisions. The fact that the tasks view is contributed by Mylyn should be immaterial to the discussion.
Thanks,
- Konstantin
From: Lars Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 7:54 AM
To: Eclipse Packaging Project
Subject: Re: [epp-dev] Mylyn in C/C++ EPP?
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> I guess the question is, when would they add it? There would have to be
> some trigger other than it¹s been installed. And if we can¹t think of one,
> then that supports the answer that Mylyn shouldn¹t be installed by default.
Why do they have to add it by default? A user who wants to see the
Mylyn task view can open it up via Show View and the user selection
would be persistent for the next start of the IDE.
Especially now that Mylyn is part of most distributions, they should
avoid adding their views without user interaction. If every plug-in
would add its views to the Java perspective by default we would end up
with a UI mess.
Best regards, Lars
>>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Gunnar Wagenknecht
>><gunnar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Marc,
>>>
>>> I have to admit I'm biased, but I would love to see a list of things
>>>that would be cleared up in the UI. Also how much the start-up time
>>>improvement have you measured on today's hardware? I'm interested in
>>>both because that's also valuable feedback for Mylyn as a project as it
>>>might indicate room for further improvements.
>>>
>>> I use the task list feature a lot. I don't see removing this will clear
>>>up anything in the UI. I don't use the Mylyn context at all. However,
>>>the context functionality is separate and can be excluded from packages.
>>>I recall that this might add additional icons to some views.
>>>
>>> -Gunnar
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gunnar Wagenknecht
>>> gunnar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, http://guw.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 13:20 schrieb Marc-André Laperle
>>>><marc-andre.laperle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if people use Mylyn in the context of the C/C++ EPP. I'm
>>>>thinking perhaps it could be removed from the EPP if it's not really
>>>>used. It would clear up some things in the UI and make the package a
>>>>bit lighter (start-up time and size).
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think!
>>>>
>>>> Marc-Andre
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