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Re: [epp-dev] Default enablement policy for Code Recommenders in EPP packages
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I opened Bug 422177 [1] to track progress on this and sketched a possible implementation. I’ll implement it and let you know when it’s ready to get your final feedback.
Thanks,
Marcel
[1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=422177
Am 20.11.2013 um 18:01 schrieb Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>:
> Interesting approach, and yeah, I’m more fine with that :)
>
> From: Marcel Bruch <marcel.bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Eclipse Packaging Project <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM
> To: Eclipse Packaging Project <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [epp-dev] Default enablement policy for Code Recommenders in EPP packages
>
> you mean when content assist pops up, the first proposal would be „Wanna enable/configure code recommenders?“ Would be a nice popup-in-a-popup - Doug probably could not complain much about it ;-) I’d be fine with this.
>
> Marcel
>
> Am 20.11.2013 um 17:53 schrieb Igor Fedorenko <igor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> Can you offer "Enable Code Recommenders" code assist as default
>> behaviour? and possibly provide a way to remove this default code assist
>> to be extra nice to people who don't want code recommenders.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Igor
>>
>> On 11/20/2013, 11:44, Marcel Bruch wrote:
>>> I’ve mixed feelings on enabling recommenders by default.
>>>
>>> There are many discussions about performance these days and I know that
>>> Code Recommenders can cause a recognizable delay when loading a model
>>> the first time ( <100ms but recognizable). With our latest approaches we
>>> may be able to further reduce this but it will certainly not get much
>>> faster than 40ms avg. So whenever you trigger code completion the first
>>> time on, say, java.lang.String, it will take 40ms to load the model into
>>> the cache. I’ve the feeling that this should be a decision a developer
>>> explicitly makes.
>>>
>>> Regarding integrating Mylyn:
>>> Should be simple. We could get together for an afternoon and should be
>>> done. I’d offer to maintain the small extension.
>>>
>>> Marcel
>>>
>>> Am 20.11.2013 um 16:32 schrieb Steffen Pingel
>>> <steffen.pingel@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:steffen.pingel@xxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>>>
>>>> I had the same thought. If you want users to benefit make it the
>>>> default. We should chat if it makes sense to add task-focus to the
>>>> code recommenders content assist. It just another way to proposals so
>>>> an integration API could be fairly simple and users wouldn't have to
>>>> make a choice but get the best of both worlds (if that scenario makes
>>>> sense).
>>>>
>>>> Steffen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:dschaefer@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, no popups. We should be banning pop-ups across the board.
>>>> They¹re
>>>> super annoying. It would be hard to find a UX expert who would
>>>> disagree
>>>> except for the most critical of messages (like workspace out of
>>>> memory).
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I¹d like to see a better Welcome page that becomes
>>>> part of the
>>>> users workflow. It would be a great place to bring things like
>>>> that to the
>>>> attention of users.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the other side of that question, why not turn code
>>>> recommenders on
>>>> all the time?
>>>>
>>>> Doug.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2013, 9:56 AM, "Marcel Bruch"
>>>> <marcel.bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:marcel.bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Hi package maintainers,
>>>> >
>>>> >by default Code Recommenders content assist silently disables
>>>> itself if
>>>> >it finds the standard Java or Mylyn content assist being enabled
>>>> on the
>>>> >default tab. On the Eclipse booth at Devoxx last week it turned
>>>> out that
>>>> >many Eclipse users did not know about Code Recommenders being already
>>>> >available in their installations because of this silent deactivation.
>>>> >
>>>> >I¹m now looking for ways how to make Recommenders content assist more
>>>> >prominent so that Eclipse users get aware of it. Adding it to the
>>>> welcome
>>>> >page may work but many say it¹s not read very often. I wonder how
>>>> you¹d
>>>> >feel about a popup that (when code completion is triggered the first
>>>> >time) informs a user about the engine being available and asking
>>>> a user
>>>> >to enable it or not.
>>>> >
>>>> >What do you think?
>>>> >
>>>> >Thanks,
>>>> >Marcel
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> Mylyn Tasks Lead
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