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Re: [epp-dev] EPP packages containing Incubating projects (IMPORTANT)
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OK, thanks Janet.
Markus, I guess this means if I change the product.name to
eclipse-modeling-ganymede-RC4-incubation that the archives will be named
properly. And, as we already have a listing of the included features here:
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-modeling-tools/ganymederc3
, I could add a comment to our package description that features below
version 1.0.0 are incubating (this blurb appears above the list, and on the
main download page).
And, maybe we could automate the inclusion of an incubation image on the
page if the feature list contains any version < 1.0.0?
This should be sufficient, right?
Thanks,
Rich
On 6/13/08 1:39 PM, "Janet Campbell" <janet.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I don't see any difficulty including the incubating components, but it is
> important that the downstream consumer be made aware of what the package
> comprises. If a package includes incubating projects, then the rules that
> apply to the incubating project must also be applied to the package so that
> downstream consumers understand that there are incubating projects in the
> package. This would entail using a naming convention that makes this clear
> as well as clearly stating what incubating projects are included in the
> package on the relevant web page.
>
> Thanks,
> Janet
>
> Janet Campbell
> Phone: +1.613.224.9461, x.229 (GMT -5)
> Fax: +1.613.224.5172
> janet.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Gronback [mailto:richard.gronback@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:05 PM
> To: Eclipse Packaging Project
> Cc: Janet Campbell; Ed Merks
> Subject: Re: [epp-dev] EPP packages containing Incubating projects
> (IMPORTANT)
>
> Well, I was hoping to hear from Legal on it and include them if at all
> possible. Janet, can you give us an indication of what complications are
> involved with including incubating components in a package?
>
> I forgot to list UML2 Tools below, which is also in incubation. Without UML
> modeling, the Modeling package will be missing quite a bit of expected
> functionality.
>
> Copying Ed, as he's also interested in seeing his incubating components
> included.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
>
>
> On 6/13/08 12:15 PM, "Markus Knauer" <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Okay, that means that the Modeling package is the only one that
>> contains projects in incubation phase. If you agree to remove them
>> from the package, then this would be the easiest solution. Otherwise
>> we have to discuss it with Eclipse Legal.
>>
>> Rich, what do you think?
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday 13 June 2008, Richard Gronback wrote:
>>> Yes, there are some incubating projects/components in the Modeling
> package.
>>> I can remove them easily enough, if necessary. In fact, I'd rather
>>> not have the package labeled with 'incubation'.
>>>
>>> Below are those in incubation:
>>>
>>> - JET
>>> - Ecore Tools
>>> - Compare
>>> - Search
>>> - Mint
>>>
>>> The following are graduating with this release:
>>>
>>> - M2M QVTO
>>> - CDO
>>> - Teneo
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> On 6/13/08 4:45 AM, "Markus Knauer" <mknauer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> The long discussion about the naming and sort order of the packages
>>>> on bug https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=224729 reminds
>>>> me of an old issue: Including content from projects in incubation phase.
>>>>
>>>> When I wrote that email below (in February), it was based on the
>>>> assumption that *all* bits included in the Ganymede packages are out
>>>> of incubation, but as of today I am not sure any more.
>>>>
>>>> * Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers
>>>> @ David: No projects in incubation? Correct?
>>>>
>>>> * Eclipse Classic - fake package (Eclipse SDK)
>>>>
>>>> * Eclipse for RCP/Plug-in Developers = OKAY
>>>>
>>>> * Eclipse Modeling Tools
>>>> @ Rich: I assume there are some projects still in incubation?
>>>>
>>>> * Eclipse IDE for Java Developers
>>>> @ Mik: No projects in incubation? Correct?
>>>>
>>>> * Eclipse IDE for C/C++ Developers
>>>> @ Doug: No projects in incubation? Correct? org.eclipse.cdt.mylyn?
>>>>
>>>> * Eclipse IDE for Java and Report Developers
>>>> @ Xiaoying: No projects in incubation? Correct?
>>>>
>>>> @Bjorn, Janet: *If* there are features from a project in incubation
>>>> phase included in a package, what do we have to do? Change the file
>>>> name of the package, include it in the description at the web site, ...
> what else?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Markus
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 06 February 2008, Markus Knauer wrote:
>>>>>> (1) Do any of the existing packages contain projects that are
>>>>>> incubating or are shipping incubating code?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find a list of all currently included features at the end of
>>>>> this email.
>>>>> Status: IMHO there are no features from incubation projects in the
>>>>> projects with one exception: The EPP UDC code is in incubation, but
>>>>> only included in the Ganymede packages.
>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) If so, when can you change the package build system to include
>>>>>> the correct incubation phrase and to have the package name itself
>>>>>> be "JavaEE (Incubation)" (or whatever).
>>>>>
>>>>> Europa Packages: They do not contain features from projects in
>>>>> incubation phase. => No action required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ganymede Packages: These are 'milestone' or nightly builds. They
>>>>> contain at least something like "-M4-" in their name. AFAIK we can
>>>>> have as much milestone builds as we need, but we have to ensure
>>>>> that everything inside is out of incubation until the release. =>
>>>>> Do we need to change something until then?
>>>>>
>>>>> Other/future packages: Projects in the packages *should* have a
>>>>> version
>>>>>
>>>>>> =1.0 unless there are good reasons to include something newer. If
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>
>>>>> the case we should start describing naming conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Markus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> %<
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> -----
>>>>> -- "org.eclipse.cdt"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.cvs"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.connectivity.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.connectivity.oda.designer.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.connectivity.oda.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.doc.user"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.apache.derby.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.hsqldb.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.ibm.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.jdbc.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.msft.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.mysql.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.oda.designer.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.oda.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.oracle.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.postgresql.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.sybase.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.modelbase.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.sqldevtools.data.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.sqldevtools.ddl.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.sqldevtools.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.sqldevtools.parsers.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.datatools.sqldevtools.results.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf.common"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf.common.ui"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf.ecore"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf.ecore.edit"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf.ecore.sdo"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf.edit"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.emf.edit.ui"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.epp.usagedata.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.gef"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.jdt"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.jpt.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.jst"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.mylyn.bugzilla_feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.mylyn.context_feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.mylyn_feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.mylyn.ide_feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.mylyn.java_feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.mylyn.pde_feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.pde"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.platform"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.sdk"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.wst"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.wst.common_ui.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.wst.xml_ui.feature"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.xsd"
>>>>> "org.eclipse.xsd.edit"
>>>>> %<
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> -----
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday 03 February 2008, David M Williams wrote:
>>>>>> The JEE packages does not, and has no plans to (since even an
>>>>>> incubating project must have a pre 1.0 release review to be
>>>>>> included ... right?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. I'm just responding so you'll know others do subscribe to
>>>>>> this list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Bjorn Freeman-Benson <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Janet
>>>>>> Campbell'" <janet.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>> 02/01/2008 05:39 PM
>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>> [epp-dev] EPP packages containing Incubating projects
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Packagers,
>>>>>> Janet has alerted me to something I forgot about the packages:
>>>>>> because they are a "distribution" by the Eclipse Foundation,
>>>>>> we/you need to make sure that if the packages containing any
>>>>>> Incubation Phase projects, the packages are correctly labeled as
>>>>>> such. The standard for labeling is currently described in the
>>>>>> incubation phase guidelines and includes having the file names
>>>>>> contain "-incubation-". So, two
>>>>>> questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Do any of the existing packages contain projects that are
>>>>>> incubating or are shipping incubating code?
>>>>>> (2) If so, when can you change the package build system to include
>>>>>> the correct incubation phrase and to have the package name itself
>>>>>> be "JavaEE (Incubation)" (or whatever).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> - Bjorn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>> RE: FW: [eclipse.org-planning-council] EclipseCon and Ganymede M5
>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>> Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:50:58 -0500
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> Janet Campbell <janet.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Organization:
>>>>>> Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> 'Bjorn Freeman-Benson' <bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> References:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At a minimum, we should try to be consistent with the naming
>>>>>> requirements for incubating projects. Including a notice file in
>>>>>> the root directory indicating the status of the distribution would
>>>>>> also help. What will the person accessing the file be presented with?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Janet Campbell
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