Re: [eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] SOA Track

[Bernd Kolb <b.kolb@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi all,

sorry for interfering here. I just wanted to point out one thing:

I think/fear that the number of attendees will be significantly
reduced if the modeling symposium (that's what it was called in the
beginning) will be hold as some kind of BoF in the evening. That does
not mean that the current format should or could not be changed. It is
just something to keep in mind. I would as well distinguish between
Modeling and all the rest :-) For whatever reason people are heavily
attracted by all kind of modeling sessions at ECE and the symposium
is/was a format were people could get an update in a very condensed
form.

Just my 2 cents,
Bernd

2012/7/25 Simon Kaufmann <simon.kfm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi all,
>
> Indeed, the Modeling Symposium was crowded last year. I was also wondering
> that there are so many (really short) talks that were not submitted (or
> accepted?) in the regular program and apparently there is a significant
> audience for them. That leaves kind of a bad feeling. On the other hand, it
> is one of the best things that can happen - a community is gathering at
> EclipseCon and they organise themselves, exchanging some more or less cool
> stuff. And hopefully this is attracting more and more people who are working
> on those topics. So we somehow have to deal with it and facilitate this kind
> of community exchange. I don't think it hurts the spirit of the conference
> at all.
>
> However, from my point of view, that's exactly what the BoFs are meant for,
> right? Definetly, this format (be it modeling symposium or SOA track) is not
> what a tutorial is originally meant to be like. So I really like the fact
> that it's out of question to give SOA a precious official tutorial slot. And
> actually this also applies to modeling - I second Achim, it's cheating on
> the tutorial idea and on the session selection process of the official
> program.
>
> From looking at the PDF, my gut feeling would be that there hardly will be
> competition between the SOA track and neither the BoFs nor the tutorials.
> SOA/BPM is not exactly a hype topic anymore that everybody will attend to
> just because it is mainstream. Rather, it became a specialized topic and
> having the typical EclipseCon audience in mind I would even consider 30
> attendees ambitious. But I'd love to get surprised and proven wrong in this
> point. I really think they should get the chance to build up a community.
> Enterprises still love this topic and there is a significant market
> potential. Still, personally I prefer it to be a BoF.
>
> Would it be an option to have something like "promoted" or "preselected"
> BoFs, i.e. guarantee SOA ("rookie") and modeling ("famous") a BoF slot and
> do a little advertising for them in the program?
>
> So my vote: -0.5 (to indicate it's not a strong opinion - as long as they
> get a "spare" room).
>
> Simon
>
>
> 2012/7/25 Achim Lörke <Achim.Loerke@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> like Jonas I don't like the idea of a special treatment for talks
>> disguised as tutorials. The Modeling symposium is there because of its
>> history but actually this is cheating on the talk selection process, too.
>>
>> So my vote is -1.
>>
>> Let's give them enough room for an extended BOF.
>>
>> Achim
>>
>> Quoting "Campo, Christian" <Christian.Campo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>>> Hi Program Committee,
>>>
>>> here is a summary of some conversation that went on in the past week
>>> between some of the SOA PMC (Marc Gille) and me and Ralph and Anne.
>>>
>>> If you look at the submission
>>> http://www.eclipsecon.org/europe2012/sessions/soa-track-mutiple-sessions it
>>> has only a small abstract but a pretty long PDF attached to it.
>>>
>>> Its submitted as a tutorial but only because as a tutorial because that
>>> has the length that the SOA people like to have. They had some early
>>> conversation with Mike and Ralph that led to this submission. They also sent
>>> an email to Ralph and myself once the submission was in.
>>>
>>> Given that we have a total of 13 tutorial submissions and 5 slots I saw
>>> little chance that this will get anywhere given that its not even a tutorial
>>> and tutorial are pretty popular. I asked Anne if there is small room
>>> somewhere that we could give them in parallel to the tutorials. We have the
>>> Seminarrooms (in the basement), both of them, which are not taken during the
>>> tutorials. I also suggest to them (as a alternative) to do a "SOA night" in
>>> parallel to the BoFs where they could have 3 or 4 hours in one of the rooms.
>>> At the same time I asked to estimate the number of people coming. Their
>>> goal is to get 30 people to call it a success which is not that much given
>>> the 600 attendee for the conference that we are aiming at (hopefully we get
>>> there).
>>>
>>> After these choices the SOA PMC decided that they would call off the
>>> tutorial and their favorite choice would be to have a small room in parallel
>>> to the tutorial. People who choose to the SOA track would not be able to
>>> attend the tutorials (they are aware of this). We would put the SOA sessions
>>> as regular submissions into the system (4 sessions) after the 31st of July
>>> and add a SOA track to the program. They don't get speaker passes for this
>>> SOA track and need to do some marketing to get people interested. Everyone
>>> can attend the SOA track (its not a closed session but open to everyone)
>>>
>>> So here is an action item for everyone in the PC. Are we all ok with this
>>> ? Anyone fears that it would distract people from the tutorials ? Anyone
>>> feels that we shouldn't have this kind of special content ? Strong feeling
>>> pro or con ? Questions ? Anything clear ?
>>>
>>> Please vote +1 and -1 (and 0 if you must :) ). Raise concerns. Now is a
>>> good time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Christian Campo
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