[eclipse.org-architecture-council] Top 10 Process Recommendations (was:

["Oberhuber, Martin" <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> +1 for a "Top 10 process recommendations" being maintained by the AC.

+1 from me too. Who can volunteer to kick it off by creating
an initial Wiki page? 
Interestingly, I had thought that we'd have some process
related stuff in the existing top 10, but we do not.

Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
 
 

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> On Behalf Of Mik Kersten
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:42 PM
> To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'eclipse.org-architecture-council'
> Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Eclipse 
> Development Process
> 
> +1 for a "Top 10 process recommendations" being maintained by the AC.
> 
> In my experiences on Mylyn, AspectJ and AJDT, it took a 
> considerable amount
> of effort to figure out the Platform practices that we needed 
> to emulate,
> and then to figure out how to adapt them to our considerably smaller
> projects.  The tools that we use, such as Bugzilla and 
> Eclipsepedia, are so
> flexible and process agnostic that it takes time for 
> newcomers to figure out
> process best practices, ranging from simple stuff like naming 
> milestones to
> managing large bug backlogs.
> 
> Mik
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
> [mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> On Behalf
> > Of Mike Milinkovich
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:05 AM
> > To: 'eclipse.org-architecture-council'
> > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Eclipse Development
> > Process
> > 
> > Since I encouraged David to kick off this conversation, let 
> me explain
> > :-)
> > 
> > I agree vehemently that there is no such thing the single software
> > development process that will be suitable for every project 
> at Eclipse.
> > However, I do think that there are many projects that would 
> gladly take
> > a
> > little guidance if it was offered.
> > 
> > So rather than a methodology, could people imagine a "top 
> 10" list of
> > process recommendations maintained by the AC? The goal is not to be
> > intrusive. The goal is to be helpful.
> > 
> > Gunnar's point about mentoring is correct. But if every 
> mentor has to
> > repeat
> > the same "top 10" list to each project, wouldn't it be a little more
> > effective to write it down?
> > 
> > Mike Milinkovich
> > Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228
> > Mobile: +1.613.220.3223
> > mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Gunnar Wagenknecht
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:35 PM
> > > To: eclipse.org-architecture-council
> > > Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Eclipse 
> Development
> > > Process
> > >
> > > David Carver schrieb:
> > > > John I agree, but from my understanding is that Eclipse 
> originally
> > > was
> > > > founded on Agile techniques...
> > >
> > > I don't think that this is the case. You are probably 
> mixing up the
> > > Eclipse project with the Eclipse Foundation. But I don't 
> know either.
> > >
> > > IMHO we should *not* define or instruct projects how they *do*
> > software
> > > development. I see our role more as someone who is 
> looking at *what*
> > > the projects produce and *help* projects to understand what others
> > are
> > > doing and *help* projects in adopting it *if* they want.
> > >
> > > Of course we encourage projects to release often and to use the
> > mailing
> > > lists and Bugzilla, etc. But I see this more as part of 
> our mentoring
> > > task to help projects get started and develop their communities.
> > >
> > > -Gunnar
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gunnar Wagenknecht
> > > gunnar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > http://wagenknecht.org/
> > 
> > 
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