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Re: [e4-dev] Plan wiki for Luna
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Fair enough :).
But even then I'd love to see a plan on how we can go forward with
whatever solution works. From a somewhat outsider, e4 looks like it's been
focused on RCP, which is great and you can make some great looking apps
with it. I'm wondering how we bring that goodness to the rest of the
Eclipse projects that sit on top of RCP (and yes, I mean the IDE :).
Not everyone I've talked to is sold on JavaFX, but I think it's worth a
shot, especially if we port SWT to it and people can start going down that
road without starting over. And maybe only the JavaFX port gets these
fancy features if no one wants to invest in the legacy native ports.
Dunno, just grasping at straws here.
D
On 13-07-02 4:53 PM, "Tom Schindl" <tom.schindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Frankly speaking guys, I've lost my hope in SWT - I guess this does not
>come to any suprise who has been following my latest work.
>
>Tom
>
>On 02.07.13 22:40, Doug Schaefer wrote:
>> :), I wish that worked as often as we hope it did.
>>
>> But we need to do something to create the buzz that would drive interest
>> and contribution. Having a dark theme at least gives them hope Eclipse
>> can look like the cool kids, even if it didn't work everywhere. And who
>> knows, that might look cool on it's ownŠ
>>
>> D
>>
>> From: Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> Reply-To: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> Date: Tuesday, 2 July, 2013 4:36 PM
>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Plan wiki for Luna
>>
>> @Tom, Kai, my hope is that if we make the SWT limitation visible to a
>> broader user base that more people are interested in fixing them /
>> contributing to them.
>>
>>
>> 2013/7/2 Tom Schindl <tom.schindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:tom.schindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>
>> The big problem with a Dark-Theme is SWT which is not able to theme
>> e.g. Buttons, Table-Headers, Menus. I've always said and I'm still
>> convinced that the way we apply CSS on widgets is wrong.
>>
>> IMHO the CSS-Engine should do the selector calculation to assemble a
>> style-string for a widget and SWT has to provide an API
>> setCSSStyle(String) to accept this string and transform it to the
>> native calls (which e.g. could be css-style stuff once more - e.g.
>> IIRC Gtk does have such a feature).
>>
>> This way we could even get radial gradients, ... without coming up
>> with a Gradient-API and this IMHO dirty image workaround.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 01.07.13 23:19, Doug Schaefer wrote:
>>
>> I know our UX team was hesitant to use a dark theme. It looks
>> cool but
>> doesn't necessarily help productivity. Would be good to try it
>> though
>> and see, that's the beauty of switchable themes :).
>>
>> *From: *Lars Vogel
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 1, 2013 3:55 PM
>> *To: *E4 Project developer mailing list
>> *Reply To: *E4 Project developer mailing list
>> *Subject: *Re: [e4-dev] Plan wiki for Luna
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dark Themes" seem to be very attractive to developers, for
>> example in
>> the popular Sublime editor or the IntelliJ IDE. Would be nice to
>> have
>> one in Eclipse also (for all the cool developers out there ;-)
>>).
>>
>>
>> 2013/7/1 Sopot Çela <sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>
>>
>> For details on the chrome theme
>>
>>http://marketplace.eclipse.__org/content/eclipse-4-chrome-__theme#.UdHb6f
>>lJN1d
>>
>><http://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/eclipse-4-chrome-theme#.UdHb6flJN
>>1d>
>> and
>> https://github.com/jeeeyul/__eclipse-themes/
>> <https://github.com/jeeeyul/eclipse-themes/> You can see that
>> there is
>> a certain interest in it. Based on
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/__show_bug.cgi?id=386470
>> <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=386470> we have
>>also
>> the blessing of the contributor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Sopot Çela
>> <sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:sopotcela@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I second that, especially the Chrome theme. There is
>> widespread
>> consensus that it is a very nice theme.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Lars Vogel
>> <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>
>> I think new CSS themes for the IDE would be a nice
>> item.
>> Based on an offline discussion with Sopot I suggest
>> a theme
>> similar to Chrome and also a Dark Theme. A minimum
>> thing
>> would be to reduce the default whitespace used for
>>a
>> PartSashContainer.
>>
>>
>> 2013/6/27 Paul Webster
>> <pwebster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>><mailto:pwebster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:pwebster@alumni.__uwaterloo.ca
>> <mailto:pwebster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>>
>>
>> At today's meeting we're going to talk about
>>our
>> plan/general direction for Luna. I've put up a
>> general
>> draft at
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/__Platform_UI/Plan/4.4
>> <http://wiki.eclipse.org/Platform_UI/Plan/4.4>
>>
>> While we're editing it, please post any
>> suggestions you
>> have to the mailing list so we can update the
>>draft
>> (instead of all editing it at once). After the
>> meeting
>> we can update it individually and then review
>> it again.
>>
>> Later
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> --
>> Paul Webster
>> Hi floor. Make me a sammich! - GIR
>>
>>
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