RE: [dsdp-pmc] Re: What do you think about e4 using Java5 ?

[Mark Rogalski <rogalski@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I think the Eclipse core bundles can
safely move up to using whatever is in CDC 1.1/Foundation 1.1. As Gorkem
says, it would be hard to move beyond that. 

        Mark

"Oberhuber, Martin" <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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11/25/2008 10:07 AM

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Subject	RE: [dsdp-pmc] Re: What do you think about e4 using Java5 ?

Hi Gorkem,

I was actually thinking about bundles such as
   org.eclipse.core.runtime
which includes Jobs -- adding some util.concurrent
APIs to Jobs in order to support asynchronous
use-cases would be interesting. Currently, the
bundle is specified to comply with "Foundation 1.0"
which is a subset of J2SE 1.3:
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=eclipse#appen
dix

I'm wondering who might really need such a "low"
specification. Any pointers appreciated.

PS: Thanks for your insight on CDC / JSP / JSR. 

Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
 
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Gorkem Ercan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:55 PM
> To: Oberhuber, Martin
> Cc: DSDP PMC list
> Subject: [dsdp-pmc] Re: What do you think about e4 using Java5 ?
> 
> Hi Martin,
> Everybody, I have talked to in the mobile industry, seems to agree
the
> need to get Java 5 features to CDC. I even heard of rumors about a
CDC
> 2.0 spec on JCP however so far that specification did not materialize
> (CDC is Sun's JSR). Usually, JSRs do not conclude in JCP for 2 years.
> I think it is safe to assume that there will not be a CDC
> specification that supports Java 5 features in e4 time. Although
> Android had everyone thinking about Java on the mobile, we have not
> yet seen wider adoption of the idea yet.However, I think there is
NOT
> a single guideline for all the components on Eclipse. I do not think
> we will try to run and IDE on the mobile phone soon.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> --
> Gorkem
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Oberhuber, Martin
> <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Gorkem, Mark,
> >
> > thanks for your kind words on the DSDP PMC. While I have you,
> > there is a question I'd like to ask you: on the e4 mailing
> > list we had a short discussion about moving e4 core APIs to
> > Java5 (generics, enums, util.concurrent package):
> > 
> http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-incubator-e4-dev/
> msg01007.h
> > tml
> >
> > How would you see such a move from the "Java on devices"
point
> > of view?
> >
> > Generics could be "cross-compiled" to run on an 1.4
compatible
> > VM, since they are a source only concept and erasures allow
> > running the same code on 1.4. For enums and API usage (such
> > as the Java5 util.concurrent package) it's not that simple.
> >
> > What do you think? Is it still a requirement to have Eclipse
> > core APIs run on CDC/CLDC? Is there a chance that Java5
> > concepts get pushed into the micro VM's eventually? Do you
> > have any other contacts that I could ask this questions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
> > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Gorkem Ercan
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:41 AM
> >> To: DSDP PMC list
> >> Subject: [dsdp-pmc] eRCP move completed
> >>
> >> Our webmaster's have completed the infrastructure move to
> RT as well.
> >> This completes eRCP project's move to RT. However, eRCP is
> essentially
> >> a device runtime, I think we will be working together in
> the future as
> >> well.
> >>
> >> I would like to take this opportunity to thank the PMC members
and
> >> Doug Gaff for their guidance and helps.
> >>
> >> Thanks for having us in DSDP.
> >> --
> >> Gorkem
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