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[cosmos-dev] RE: Eclipse COSMOS, Apache Muse, and IETF MIB2RMDL effort

Hi Don,
 
Thanks for the response (and to the other members of the COSMOS team who have responded to my query).  I will use the cosmos-dev list (which I've subscribed to) going forward, but wanted to be sure it was ok with the COSMOS leadership before doing so (and had only the initial committers list to go by in that respect).
 
Just by way of general background, I have played productive roles in several earlier IETF O&M Area standardization efforts: WinSNMP Moderator(IETF spin-off to an industry forum), SNMPv2c originator, AgentX Chair, and SNMPv3 contributor.  I am optimistic about the potential for success in the MIB2RMDL effort based on industry need, previous work done in the IETF and elsewhere wrt SNMP MIB to XML conversion, and the concrete progress already made and/or roadmapped by the Muse and COSMOS projects.
 
Cheers,
BobN

From: Ebright, Don [mailto:Don.Ebright@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:11 PM
To: Natale, Bob
Cc: cosmos-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Eclipse COSMOS, Apache Muse, and IETF MIB2RMDL effort

Bob,

 

Thank you for bringing this effort to my attention.  At a minimum, I intend to follow the mailing list.  I can’t give you an official response, but I will give you my personal opinions for now and let the project give you a more complete formal answer later.

 

After reading the presentation, I believe that the goals of MIB2RMDL align well with some COSMOS data collection component requirements.  In particular, a standard mapping between SNMP MIBs and a SOA resource model is needed and I believe that IETF is a much better choice to organize this standardization effort than attempting to do something ourselves.  A SNMP proxy based on Muse would be even more useful as COSMOS has already committed to Muse and hopes to be able to deliver such a proxy.  My primary concern at this point is that it may prove somewhat difficult to achieve broad consensus on a common approach at the metamodel layer, but that is not my area of expertise so I will leave that for others to ponder.

 

I suspect that you will receive an official response of some sort within the next week, but for now, the best way to contact the broader COSMOS community would be a post on our development mailing list cosmos-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx.

 

Regards,

 

Don Ebright

 


From: Natale, Bob [mailto:RNATALE@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:41 PM
To: Ebright, Don
Subject: Eclipse COSMOS, Apache Muse, and IETF MIB2RMDL effort

 

Hi Don,

 

I am contacting you because of your participation on the COSMOS project.  If possible could you please:

 

1. Review the IETF MIB to Resource Model Description Language (MIB2RMDL) info below and let me know whether you think that collaboration between COSMOS and MIB2RMDL makes sense.

 

2. Give me an update wrt COSMOS progress.

 

3. Let me know whether you see a productive relationship between Muse, COSMOS, and MIB2RMDL.

 

At the IETF O&M Area meetings in Prague (March 18-23), we held a mini-BOF on the topic of standardizing a methodology to convert SNMP MIBs to SOA/WS resource model artifacts (tagged as "MIB to Resource Model Description Language" (MIB2RMDL), using "Language" very loosely in this context).  The purpose of the MIB2RMDL effort is to enable unified service/network/system management from the SOA/WS management level by making the virtual library of data models represented by SNMP MIBs and the management instrumentation supporting them more directly accessible to SOA/WS management applications.

 

The material presented in Prague is available at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/slides/opsarea-7.ppt. It's relatively short (13 slides or so) and employs the "repetition is the key to learning" approach (familiar to many from Jeff Case's many helpful tutorials on SNMP in past years).

 

The O&M Area decided to proceed with further investigation of the MIB2RMDL idea, with the first step being to establish an e-mail list for discussion of the proposal. If you would like to participate or even just monitor the discussion, you can subscribe at https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mib2rdml.

 

My hope is that the discussion will lead to sufficient definition and further acceptance of the MIB2RMDL proposal so that we can charter a formal Working Group at IETF-69 in Chicago this July.

 

To jumpstart the e-mail list discussion, I will produce and post an updated (-01) I-D in the next week or so, incorporating input/feedback from the Prague meeting and anything else that might develop on this list in the meantime. (Co-authors welcomed.)  The initial (-00) exploratory I-D is available at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-natale-snmp-mibs-to-ontology-00.txt, but I recommend waiting for the -01 update.

 

If you know of other individuals or groups who might be interested in or able to contribute to this work, please forward this message to them.

 

(MITRE is a non-profit and vendor neutral federally funded research and development center -- www.mitre.org.)

 

Cheers,
BobN


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