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Re: [cdt-dev] problem creating a custom toolchain`s linker

Hello Tamas,

ok, I thought you are using als the make to build. So if it works with the internal builder, just keept it...
Now it's clear why you wanted to implement your own linker,... but I don't know how the internal builder works.

I used the makefile, because we were already using it before we used Eclipse and it was easier for me to adapt the toolchain.

Sebastian



Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:47:54 +0100
From: t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx
To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] problem creating a custom toolchain`s linker

Hello!
 
This makefile thing is also interesting.
As I mentioned, we use currently the MinGW toolchain, with modified Command property for the compiler and linker. The MinGW toolchain is using the CDT Internal Builder, and there is no (visible) makefile being generated during project build. However this is working fine, the sources are compiled and linked properly.
This I why I tried to inherit this internal builder in my toolchain, as it is working fine.
 
However I kept you advise, and did some test with a modified builder:
I dropped the internal builder inheritance, and made my builder look like cdt.managedbuild.target.gnu.builder (copied every property). This resulted in a different project build. When I pressed Build, I had a Release folder being created in the project folder (this is normal I guess, as the <configuration> is called Release). Within this Release folders I can see 4 files being created: makefile, objects.mk, sources.mk, subdir.mk.
I attach the makefile.
 
But I got a different error:
13:35:53 **** Build of configuration Release for project Test ****
make all
make: *** No rule to make target `Test.exe', needed by `all'.  Stop.
 
 
Questions:
Is the CDT internal builder not creating a makefile? Or it does create one, just a temporary one?
 
Is it possible to use the internal builder? I rather use a builder which doesn`t creates extra directories with extra (*.mk files), just like a MinGW project does.
 
When I test my plugin, I always create a new C project, and select the <projecttype> I created, with the <toolchain> I created. This <projecttype> is not listed under Executable in the New C Project window, but it is listed next to it (at the same level as Executables, Shared Library, Static Library and Makefile project). Is this important at all? Does it have any influence on my issues with not being able to build a sample project? Or is it just cosmetic to find the project type listed under Executable?
 
 
Tamas
 

>>> Sebastian Wagner <se.wagner@xxxxxx> 16-1-2013 9:37 >>>
Hi Tamas,

in this xml I think the builder definition is incomplete. Remove the superClass "org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.internal.builder", you don't need it. But fill all the other values according to the gcc example. You can use exactly the same.
Please also have a look at the generated makefile. I think today it is not generated at all or empty. If you want to understand why it doesn't build - have a look at the makefile and check what's wrong.

Sebastian


Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:12:36 +0100
From: t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx
To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] problem creating a custom toolchain`s linker

Hello Sebastian,
 
I`ve also tried to have a simple flat toolchain. With 1 <projectType>, <configuration>, <toolChain>, <targetPlatform>, <builder>, and 2 <tools>, but got the same "Nothing to build" nightmare.
 
See attached plugin.xml, which contains this flat setup.
 
The reason I started to create a bit more complicated setup, with these base<projectType>, base<configuration>, etc., is because this is how the sample plugin (cdt.managebuilder.gnu.ui) is designed, and after keep getting "Nothing to build", I thought it is necessary to have these kind of base items.
 
 
Thank you for your time,
Tamas


>>> Sebastian Wagner <se.wagner@xxxxxx> 15-1-2013 21:13 >>>

 Hi Tamas,
 
this is extension point is used to add plugins with managed build (automatic make file generation,...) .. this is in fact what you did in your plugin.xml
Your definitions look basically ok. For the first step to make it work I would remove the superclass entries for linker compiler and builder:
 

...

<builder

id="w65c816.tool.builder.base"
superClass="w65c816.tool.builder">
</builder>
<tool
id="w65c816.tool.compiler.base"

superClass="w65c816.tool.compiler">

</tool>
<tool
id="w65c816.tool.linker.base"
superClass="w65c816.tool.linker">

In my plugin I just left them empty, so it uses the default. I didn't need to modify them because I understood they are just general - no need to adapt them to each specific tool, except you have a compiler or linker which behaves totally different from the default - or if you have a totally new tool. If you just have different options or things like the extension of the output file, ...  you just need to define it as you did.
 
 
Sebastian
 


Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Januar 2013 um 15:21 Uhr
Von: "Tamas Csabina" <t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx>
An: "CDT General developers list." <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: Re: [cdt-dev] problem creating a custom toolchain`s linker
Hello Sebastian,
 
I am not completely understand your reply. Could you be a bit more specific?
How can use the extension point org.eclipse.cdt.managedbuilder.core.buildDefinitions?
 
Please find my latest plugin.xml attached.
 
 
Kind regards,
Tamas
 
 
>>> Sebastian Wagner <se.wagner@xxxxxx> 14-1-2013 15:41 >>>
Hello Tamas,

but if you just want to adapt the options and settings for the linkder, compiler,...  you don't need to implement your own linker. So you don't need to care for cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker.

I think - and this is what I did - you just need to use the extension point org.eclipse.cdt.managedbuilder.core.buildDefinitions. An example how to use it you will find in org.eclipse.cdt.managedbuilder.gnu.ui in the plugin.xml
file. As I wrote in my first mail you just need to adapt the linker inputs/ outputs, just leave the superClass empty.

Did you try this? Or did I misunderstand something? If you want you could also send the plugin.xml of your project, maybe I can have a look at it.


Sebastian


Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:19:57 +0100
From: t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx
To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] problem creating a custom toolchain`s linker

Hi,
 
Thanks to spare with me on this subject!
 
 
The reason is only cosmetic. The toolchain that we use currently (MinGW GCC) has lots of options and settings for the compiler and linker that our compiler and linker doesn`t know. It looks ugly that the only option we use is the Other flags for the compiler and the Linker flags for the linker. This gave me the idea to create a custom toolchain and create a linker and a compiler tool, which has got the options defined that is really an option for the compiler and linker.
 
 
I copied every single sub-item of the cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker to my own linker. Renamed the ID`s but still get the "Nothing to build" message when I test. This made me think that the problem is not related to the linker directly. But rather, the cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker has some built-in, hidden, or whatever not visible functionality that I cannot copy to my own linker, because is not visible when I edit the cdt.managed.build.info buildDefinitions (this is where cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker is defined as <tool>. This is why I started to ask for help here, as I was (and I am) not able to figure out what do I miss here.
 
 
 
Regards,
Tamas
 


>>> Sebastian Wagner <se.wagner@xxxxxx> 11-1-2013 21:21 >>>
Hello,
 
I would like to ask once again about the linker. Why do you want to use your own implementation if it works fine with the cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker (this is at least what I understood)?
If you implement a new one, you must ensure that it implements the complete interface correctly. You could copy the complete code from cdt.managebuild.tool.gnu.c.linker to your project, just renaming the packages, to test if it works.
 
Sebastian
 

Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:12:42 +0100
From: t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx
To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] problem creating a custom toolchain`s linker

Hello,
 
Yes, I agree that I am missing something. But I was not able to figure out what, that is why I asked in this list. In the hope that someone else was also in my shoe. Or that the developers of the CDT has more knowledge and experience on the topic than me, who (me) trying to figure out things with lack of documentation, knowledge and experience.
 
I have copied every single property of the cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker to my own linker, renamed the IDs, but still got "Nothing to build"... So with this I cannot get any further.
But I have another idea of finding out why I get "Nothing to build": I want to debug Eclipse when I press `Build All`. 
Which class contains this "Nothing to build" message? How could I debug my Eclipse instance to see what is happening in the background when I press the Build All button?
 
 
Regards,
tamas


>>> Derek Morris <dmsubs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10-1-2013 10:43 >>>
In that case you need to look CAREFULLY at all the differences between your definitions and those that work by using "super". Sorry, but I cannot do this for you. It is obvious that you are missing something.

On 10 Jan 2013, at 09:41, "Tamas Csabina" <t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have added this. Still "Nothing to build".

>>> Derek Morris <dmsubs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10-1-2013 10:27 >>>
I think you are completely confused. What you want is something like this:
<configuration
         artifactExtension="exe"
...

This tells the build system that your linker is going to create a file with an .exe extension.

On 10 Jan 2013, at 08:02, Tamas Csabina <t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Derek,
 
 
I figured out that as I copied the org.eclipse.cdt.managebuilder.gnu.ui plugin I do have artifactExtension properties under the <configuration>. However I am a bit confused about how to use it.
The org.eclipse.cdt.managebuilder.gnu.ui plugin`s configuration (cdt.managedbuild.config.gnu.base) uses 2 artifactExtension properties:
<enablement type="CONTAINER_ATTRIBUTE"
  attribute="artifactExtension"
  value="so"
  extensionAdjustment="false">
  <checkBuildProperty
    property="org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.buildArtefactType"
    value="org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.buildArtefactType.sharedLib"/>
</enablement>
<enablement type="CONTAINER_ATTRIBUTE"
  attribute="artifactExtension"
  value="a"
  extensionAdjustment="false">
  <checkBuildProperty
    property="org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.buildArtefactType"
    value="org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.buildArtefactType.staticLib"/>
</enablement>

These (so and a) seems to me linux library extensions, so I guess this is not the one that should create the target exe.
Furthermore org.eclipse.cdt.managebuilder.gnu.ui plugin has a projectType (cdt.managedbuild.target.gnu.exe), where the buildArtefactType property is defined as org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.buildArtefactType.exe. I don`t see anywhere else org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.buildArtefactType.exe as defined type, so I guess this means that when the target platform is win32 (and cdt.managedbuild.target.gnu.exe used as projectType), the org.eclipse.cdt.managebuilder.gnu.ui plugin will use cdt.managedbuild.target.gnu.exe`s buildArtefactType to create an exe, instead of using the base configuration`s (cdt.managedbuild.config.gnu.base) buildArtefacType to create so or a.
 
If this assumption is correct, I only have to define the buildArtefactType in my <projectType>, and no need to have an artifactExtension under the <configuration>.
 
But even with this, I still have "Nothing to build".
Just to be sure, I also tried to add a 3rd <artifactExtension> under <configuration> with org.eclipse.cdt.build.core.buildArtefactType.exe as <checkBuildProperty> value, but made no difference. Still get "Nothing to build".
 
 
 
I am mentioning again that if I use cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker as a <superClass> of my linker, everything working fine. This might indicate that <configuration>, <artifacExtension>, <projectType> and all other properties of my toolchain is configured fine, and I should focus on the linker, and figure our what do I still miss from the linker to make the compile, link and build working. But this is just as guess.
 
 
 
Regards,
Tamas
 

>>> Derek Morris <dmsubs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 9-1-2013 16:58 >>>
It is an attribute of a <configuration> and it defines the filename extension of the linker output file (i.e. "exe"). if it is not defined, I would guess that Make does not know what you are trying to create...

On 9 Jan 2013, at 15:55, "Tamas Csabina" <t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Derek,
 
<projectType> and <configuration> is defined (see attached plugin.xml)
However I don`t know what artifactExtensions is? And how to define it.
 
 
Regards,
Tamas


>>> Derek Morris <dmsubs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 9-1-2013 16:50 >>>
"Nothing to build" probably means that make does not now how to convert your source files into an 'executable'. Have you defined a <projectType> and <configutation> and defined an artifactExtension?

On 9 Jan 2013, at 13:11, Tamas Csabina <t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Sebastian,
 
Thank you for the reply.
 
I`ve already examined the mentioned toolchain (cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker), but I was not able to figure out what options/subitems do I need from it to make my toolchain work. I`ve also tried to copy all sub items of the cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker tool and create everything under my linker tool. But even with this extended toolchain I got "Info: Nothing to build" message when I test the plugin.
 
And, just to mention again, if I inherit my linker from to mentioned linker (by defining the superClass property to be cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker), everything is working fine, project files compiled, linked and built. If I remove this declaration from the superClass property, I get back to "Nothing to build".
 
 
I also wanted to figure out what is happening in the background before the "Nothing to build" message, or before the successful compile+link occurs. I am testing the plugin as described in the help: Right click on the toolchain project, and select Run As -> Eclipse application. But even if I add the -debug parameter in the Arguments I haven`t seen anything useful in the Console of the calling Eclipse instance, which can be used to figure out how do we get to "Nothing to build".
 
 
You`ve mentioned that you implemented your own toolchain. Have you inherited the linker or created a new one? If the latter, have you faced similar issues with "Nothing to build"?
 
 
 
Thanks again for your time and effort!
 
 
Regards,
Tamas
 


>>> Sebastian Wagner <se.wagner@xxxxxx> 8-1-2013 14:06 >>>
Hi Tamas,

I'm not an expert, but implemented also an own toolchain. To make it work I studied the GCC project which you can access from the Git repository. You find the build definitions in the plugin.xml file of the project "org.eclipse.cdt.managedbuilder.gnu.ui". So you can compare the linker settings they use to yours.

Sebastian


Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 16:52:04 +0100
From: t.csabina@xxxxxxxxx
To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] problem creating a custom toolchain`s linker

Dear Group,
 
 
I bring up this subject once again, as I still have the issue. I haven`t got any reply on this, nor in the forums. After this I won`t bother the list again, but I had to give it a last chance.
 
Regards,
tamas

>>> Tamas Csabina 15-11-2012 08:38 >>>
Hi,
 
First of all I have to say that I know that this list is not the best place to ask questions like mine, but after days of struggle I have no option left. I tried the users forums already, but got no replies to my questions there.
Searching through the archives I have found similar questions to be asked, so I dared to fire mine.
 
About the problem:
Currently we use the MinGW Toolchain to build our C projects. We use a special compiler and linker instead of gcc, and this is working fine.
But as the mingw toolchain`s linker got so many options that we don`t use, I want to create a custom toolchain, which only contains the options for our compiler and linker.
Alternatively I could inherit the not used options, and use the applicabilityCalculator to hide them, but as far as I know it can be used for options only and not for optionCategory, so that won`t do the trick.
 
 
So I`ve ran through the Managed Build System Extensibility Document to create my custom toolchain. Did the tutorial in Chapter 6. But unfortunately the document doesn`t describe how to create a linker tool. What fields are necessary to make this linker work? Because no matter what I do with my linker tool, during project build I got "Nothing to build".
If I inherit the GCC C Linker (cdt.managedbuild.tool.gnu.c.linker) the project builds fine, so I guess my other objects (compiler, builder, target platform, tool-chain, configuration, projectType) are working fine.
 
 
What I also don`t understand, is why a misconfigured linker avoids compilation? It is okay that a complete build won`t happen without a proper linker, but at least I want to see compilation happening, as the builder (to collect what to compile) and the compiler are working fine. Or do I miss some concept here?
 
 
 
I am also willing to create a howto/faq/doc about the subject when I gathered the required information, as there is nothing available at the moment. Probably it would help others out there...
 
 
 
Thanks and regards,
tamas

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Op al onze offertes, op alle opdrachten aan ons en op alle met ons gesloten overeenkomsten zijn toepasselijk de METAALUNIEVOORWAARDEN, gedeponeerd ter Griffie van de Rechtbank te Rotterdam, zoals deze luiden volgens de laatstelijk aldaar neergelegde tekst. De leveringsvoorwaarden worden u op verzoek toegezonden.

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2161 AB Lisse
Nederland
+31 (0)252 416530 (voice)
+31 (0)252 419481 (fax)

http://www.sercom.nl/

Op al onze offertes, op alle opdrachten aan ons en op alle met ons gesloten overeenkomsten zijn toepasselijk de METAALUNIEVOORWAARDEN, gedeponeerd ter Griffie van de Rechtbank te Rotterdam, zoals deze luiden volgens de laatstelijk aldaar neergelegde tekst. De leveringsvoorwaarden worden u op verzoek toegezonden.

De informatie/inhoud van dit e-mail bericht (en bijlagen) is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerden. SERCOM staat niet in voor juiste dan wel volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van dit e-mail bericht. SERCOM kan niet garanderen dat een verzonden e-mail bericht wordt overgebracht zonder inbreuk of tussenkomst van derden, noch de tijdige ontvangst ervan. Indien bovenstaand e-mail bericht niet aan u is gericht, verzoeken wij u vriendelijk doch dringend het e-mail bericht te retourneren aan de verzender en het origineel en eventuele kopieën te verwijderen en te vernietigen.


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+31 (0)252 419481 (fax)

http://www.sercom.nl/

Op al onze offertes, op alle opdrachten aan ons en op alle met ons gesloten overeenkomsten zijn toepasselijk de METAALUNIEVOORWAARDEN, gedeponeerd ter Griffie van de Rechtbank te Rotterdam, zoals deze luiden volgens de laatstelijk aldaar neergelegde tekst. De leveringsvoorwaarden worden u op verzoek toegezonden.

De informatie/inhoud van dit e-mail bericht (en bijlagen) is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerden. SERCOM staat niet in voor juiste dan wel volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van dit e-mail bericht. SERCOM kan niet garanderen dat een verzonden e-mail bericht wordt overgebracht zonder inbreuk of tussenkomst van derden, noch de tijdige ontvangst ervan. Indien bovenstaand e-mail bericht niet aan u is gericht, verzoeken wij u vriendelijk doch dringend het e-mail bericht te retourneren aan de verzender en het origineel en eventuele kopieën te verwijderen en te vernietigen.


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