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RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in cdt4.0.2withecl ipse 3.3
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Bug: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=198591
It's quite crazy that performing a build locks the workspace such that users can't save. As Nokia have said, if your make takes an hour you have to go drink coffee for an hour (or stop pressing ctrl-s after every line! Eek!) I suspect this is one of the biggests performance gripes of people who build within CDT.
If this bug was fixed would incremental build be a saner option?
James
-----Original Message-----
From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
Sent: 14 November 2007 18:36
To: CDT General developers list.
Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in cdt4.0.2withecl ipse 3.3
And probably the reason I don't appreciate build automatically is that I
save often. And I mean, there are times when I'll hit ^s after every line. I
guess I lost too much work due to crashes in a previous life.
And it's a pretty nasty scenario when you hit save while a build is running.
Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: CDT General developers list.
> Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in cdt4.0.2withecl
> ipse 3.3
>
> Actually, more accurately, the Eclipse SDK has that menu item checked by
> default. Using mechanisms provided by the Platform, we turn it off for CDT
> projects by default. And then, only for the CDT builder. It is conceivable
> to add another builder (external tool for example) that does build
> automatically when that item is enabled.
>
> Again, having done serious C++ development with the CDT while build
> automatically was on, I'm really glad it's off by default. I know a lot of
> other people who are too. In fact, most customers won't even notice the
> change since build automatically was turned off in the product settings of
> most of the products I know.
>
> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Beth Tibbitts
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:37 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in
> cdt4.0.2withecl
> > ipse 3.3
> >
> > I think the comment is, either turn it on or off by default, but make
> the
> > UI, especially the menu item "Build Automatically" accurately represent
> > what is currently set.
> > Currently, the default CDT installation has that checked, and a new
> > project
> > with e.g. 'hello' content builds upon creation, but incremental build on
> > save doesn't work after that.
> > I added a wiki item about this last night, to match the current
> behavior.
> > I know how to work it now, but I don't think it makes sense for a new
> user
> > with "out of the box" CDT behavior.
> >
> > ...Beth
> >
> > Beth Tibbitts (859) 243-4981 (TL 545-4981)
> > High Productivity Tools / Parallel Tools http://eclipse.org/ptp
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> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Schaefer
> > <DSchaefer@xxxxxx
> > m>
> To
> > Sent by: "CDT General developers list."
> > cdt-dev-bounces@e <cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > clipse.org
> cc
> >
> >
> Subject
> > 11/14/2007 11:38 RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically
> > AM doesn't work in cdt4.0.2withecl
> > ipse 3.3
> >
> > Please respond to
> > "CDT General
> > developers list."
> > <cdt-dev@eclipse.
> > org>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In this case, that's on purpose. Build automatically really sucks for
> > projects of any real size unless you have a super fast compiler and
> > linker.
> > I'd prefer to field the odd question about how to turn it on rather than
> > have to deal with every other CDT user having to turn it off all the
> time.
> >
> > BTW, this feature also allows you to have Java and C++ projects in the
> > same
> > workspace and have the most appropriate build behavior work for each.
> >
> > Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> > Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Brunauer, Walter
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:21 AM
> > > To: CDT General developers list.
> > > Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in
> > > cdt4.0.2witheclipse 3.3
> > >
> > > Mikhail,
> > >
> > > actually I don't care about technical details here.
> > >
> > > All I am saying is, that it seems a user of a pristine CDT
> installation
> > > has to enable two switches in order to get a platform feature working
> > for
> > > CDT projects he might know from JDT already. He will wonder, why CDT
> > > prohibits that global switch to work for its projects (if he is able
> to
> > > figure out where to look at all).
> > >
> > > Not very intuitive, IMO.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sennikovsky,
> Mikhail
> > > > Sent: Mittwoch, 14. November 2007 11:09
> > > > To: CDT General developers list.
> > > > Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in
> > > > cdt4.0.2witheclipse 3.3
> > > >
> > > > Hi Walter,
> > > >
> > > > You could specify the default behavior to be used for your
> > > > tool-chain/builder via the enableAutoBuild, enableCleanBuild
> > > > and enabledIncrementalBuild attributes of your builder definitions.
> > > > These settings will be picked up for projects using your builder.
> > > >
> > > > NOTE: I've just noticed that the enableAutoBuild,
> > > > enableCleanBuild and enabledIncrementalBuild are not added to
> > > > the builder element schema, so you should see warnings
> > > > "unsupported attribute" in the plugin.xml editor when you
> > > > specify those attributed. I'll fix this ASAP.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mikhail
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > > >Behalf Of Brunauer, Walter
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:04 AM
> > > > >To: CDT General developers list.
> > > > >Subject: RE: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in cdt
> > > > >4.0.2witheclipse 3.3
> > > > >
> > > > >Forcing the user to enable two switches in order to get one
> > > > feature to work
> > > > >is bad usability. I suspect this was introduced to allow to
> > > > manage this
> > > > >platform feature for each project individually, right? If so, why
> not
> > > > >inverting the switch and allow to disable the feature of the
> > > > platform for
> > > > >individual projects?
> > > > >
> > > > >Just my € 0.02,
> > > > >
> > > > >Walter
> > > > >
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of subs
> > > > >> Sent: Dienstag, 13. November 2007 09:06
> > > > >> To: CDT General developers list.
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Build Automatically doesn't work in
> > > > >> cdt 4.0.2 witheclipse 3.3
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have you got 'Build on resource save (autobuild)' checked? It
> > > > >> can be found on
> > > > >> Project->Properties->C/C++ Build->Behaviour. By default it is
> > > > >> unchecked.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Manish Kumar (ATS - SSG) wrote:
> > > > >> > Hi Everybody,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I am working on cdt 4.0.2 in eclipse 3.3.What
> > > > >> have I observed
> > > > >> > that ‘Build Automatically’ doesn’t work for CDT projects
> > > > >> even though it
> > > > >> > is checked in menu and changes are done in source file.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Could anybody help me out to know where could I
> > > > >> be wrong or is
> > > > >> > it a bug?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanking You,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > With Regards
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Manish Kumar
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
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