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FW: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
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Hi all,
Altera are planning to attend both BOFs as well.
For the CDT BOF, we can talk about what we've been upto with the CDT.
Also we are very interested in the discussions regarding the direction
of CDT.
In particular, we would like to talk about things like possibilites of
aligning the standard and managed make projects/features. Other areas of
interest
are upcoming debug features - new memory viewer, watchpoints, etc...
We're also planning to attend the Remote development and debugging BOF -
as we also deal with remote systems & embedded apps - so we'll readily
participate in the discussions on that front.
See you all there,
Tracy MIranda
-----Original Message-----
From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Pierre-Alexandre Masse
Sent: 20 January 2005 18:23
To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
Thank you Sebastien,
Chris, you are correct. We (MontaVista) would like to present our
current work on the remote system framework, its structure, how to use
it and some examples as well as discuss future directions. The
presentation should last around 20 minutes. Discussion could be done
either right after or after all presentations as you prefer.
Pierre-Alexandre
Recoskie, Chris wrote:
> Sebastien,
>
> This sounds good to me. On behalf of everyone I'd like to thank you
> for being point man on this.
>
> Re: content, Martin and I had planned on doing maybe a 20 minute
> presentation to kick off discussion for the embedded/remote BOF,
> outlining in a little more detail the issues we mentioned briefly in
> our original BOF proposal. I assume that Montavista would want to do a
> similar presentation re: remote debugging (Pierre?). From there we'd
> open things up more for free-form discussion for the remaining time.
> If anyone else is interested in presenting anything, that is of course
> possible as well, so if anyone out there is interested in doing that
> please let us all know.
>
> Re: the regular CDT BOF, I don't think we are planning on contributing
> any content directly, although we are definitely going to be there to
> participate.
>
> ___________________________________________
>
> Chris Recoskie
>
> Software Designer
>
> IDE Frameworks Group
>
> Texas Instruments, Toronto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Marineau
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:14 PM
> *To:* cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Concerning the BOFs, I did get information back from the EclipseCon
> organizers -- please see the email from Bjorn further below. The
> bottom line is that we have the freedom to organize our own BOFs, as
> well as set the schedule.
>
> To get the ball rolling, our original proposal was to hold 2 BOFs, as
> listed below.
>
> Eclipse CDT BOF:
>
> Meet the experts and discuss the implementation and direction of CDT.
> The format will likely be a series of mini-overviews on different
> aspects of CDT along with open discussions.Intel, IBM, QNX and Redhat
> have volunteered to present here. We will also try to get a few
> customers to present their experiences.
>
> Remote development and debugging BOF:
>
> TI, HP, Montavista and IBM have expressed strong interest in hosting
> this. The main focus would be on the specific challenges of using
> Eclipse and CDT in a host/target configuration, both for development
> and debugging. This spans the range from deeply embedded (TI) to
> traditional embedded (Mvista) to the server/mini types of apps (HP and
> IBM). I also expect we can get a couple of customers to participate in
> this as well.
>
> My suggestion is to schedule these for the Tuesday and Wednesday - the
> general CDT BOF on Tuesday the 29th, and the remote
> development/debugging BOF on Wednesday (March 1st).
>
> As for the content, I do know that additional companies (e.g.
> Windriver) have expressed interest in participating, so maybe we can
> start by having everyone throw out what they'd like to contribute
> (discussion topics, mini-presentations, demos etc) and we'll collect
> it into the BOF "program".
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sebastien
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* Bjorn Freeman-Benson [mailto:bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:21 PM
> *To:* 'Dwight Deugo'; sebastien@xxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
>
> Sebastien,
>
> Please forward this clarification to the CDT mailing list - thank
> you.
>
> I, as the EclipseCon Organizing Chair / Final Arbitrar of All
> Things EclipseCon, received a forwarded copy of this CDT mailing
> list and I'd like to take the opportunity to set the record
> straight / clarify the situation...
>
> Hello All,
>
> While working out some issues with my registration I just got
> word from Meeting Strategies Worldwide (they're doing the
> registration etc for EclipseCon) that the decision on which
> BOFs to go with will be made onsite. Yes, you read that right
> - onsite on the day of.
>
> This means that if we want to do a BOF we will have to submit
> our proposals yet again.
>
>
> Relevant text quoted:
>
> **_I have just received word today that all BoF submissions
> have been neither accepted nor rejected - all BoFs will now be
> decided upon onsite at the conference. An email will be sent
> very soon, to all people who have submitted BoFs detailing the
> process for getting their BoF submitted onsite._**
>
> It might be worthwhile to not rely on the EclipseCon
> organizers for this and organize a BOF ourselves - does anyone
> from the Bay area got some meeting space they could donate?
> ;^)
>
> We (and by this I mean the Singular We, i.e., me) decided to
> organize the BOFs at EclipseCon 2005 exactly the same way they
> were run at EclipseCon 2004. We made this choice because it is
> organizationally much simpler. Here's how it worked last year and
> here's how it's going to work this year:
>
> * One goal for BOFs is to facilitate the informal gathering of
> similarly interested attendees.
>
> * Another goal for BOFs is to make the process of gathering
> for a BOF as simple as possible for everyone involved.
>
> * Another goal is to make best use of the meeting space we
> have available. Thus we want to provide the larger rooms to
> the BOFs with more people and the smaller rooms to those
> with fewer people.
>
> * An explicit negative goal for BOFs is to prevent their being
> hijacked by companies using them as advertising pitches.
> Allowing BOFs to be pre-scheduled has, at other conferences,
> allowed them to be taken over by marketing types.
>
> So, here's the process - it's very simple and I think you'll find
> that it easily meets your needs as well our overall goals:
>
> 1. At EclipseCon there is a bulletin board. Beside the bulletin
> board are blank sign-up sheets.
>
> 2. You arrive at the conference, you go to the bulletin board,
> you take a sign-up sheet and write "CDT" in the title box.
> You thumb tack it on the bulletin board.
>
> 3. During the day, interested people sign up on the sheets on
> the board for the BOFs they are interested in.
>
> 4. At 5pm, the organizers (that's me or one of the other
> volunteers) looks at the attendance of each of the BOFs on
> the board and assigns them to rooms by writing, in big
> letters, the room name (e.g., Seaside B) on the page.
>
> 5. After enjoying the free food at the reception that evening,
> people wander by the bulletin board to learn which room
> their BOF is assigned to.
>
> This process meets the goals:
>
> * People can decided to meet in a BOF in advance or at the
> last minute. If you want to schedule it in advance, simple
> agree amongst all your colleagues that you are going to have
> a BOF on, say, Tuesday night. Put up a sign-up sheet,
> sign-up, and get assigned a room. The BOF I'm involved in
> (Language Toolkits and Universal IDEs) is doing exactly that
> - see the announcement that Chris Laffra posted to the
> eclipse.eclipsecon newsgroup.
>
> * Simple physical sheets of paper are easy. Without having to
> write any complex programs, they allow us to easily allocate
> rooms by size and they are easy for the people attending the
> conference to sign up on and to read.
>
> * Allocating rooms at 5pm the day-of allows us to make the
> best use of space. There are plenty of rooms, but some of
> them are very small and I'd hate to have to pre-guess the
> size of each BOF. I know I don't know whether CDT or WTP is
> going to draw a larger crowd. This way we will know.
>
> * Not pre-scheduling BOFs prevents vendors from using them as
> advertising rooms because they can't say "come by room X at
> time Y to hear us talk about product Z". It allows you and
> your colleagues to do so, because you are collectively
> agreeing to meet, but it prevents sales pitches because in
> those cases there is no collective agreement - it's a
> one-way communication.
>
> So, by all means, please schedule a CDT BOF. I look forward to
> your having a really great time at the conference, and I apologize
> if this mechanism was not explained to you before. Mea culpa...
>
> Regards,
>
> Bjorn Freeman-Benson
>
> EclipseCon Organizing Chair
>
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