Re: [bpmn2-modeler-dev] Help save the BPMN2 Modeler Project from extinct

[Oliver Kopp <kopp.dev@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Bob,

modeling in the web is nice and http://bpmn.io/ also shows one
possible way to go.

The thing is that there is more than modeling for users:
 i) Modeling of standard-compliant executable processes
 ii) Generation of models
 iii) Analysis of models

Eclipse BPMN Modeler has the best degree of standard compliance. This
is very important for projects showing the portability of BPMN. The
project "betsy" (https://github.com/uniba-dsg/betsy) is one example
for that. We do not see that any BPMN modeler will achieve that kind
of standard compliance in the next years. Other desktop based modelers
are not close to Eclipse. For instance, the famous Yaoqiang BPMN
Editor needs fixes of the models to be standard compliant:
https://github.com/koppor/ybpmn-fix. Signavio Core Components are very
weak in handling of data associations.

Java is still state of the art tooling for crafting research
prototypes and also production-ready software. The Eclipse BPMN model
is the best BPMN Java model. It is really a pleasure to work with it.
Do we need to repeat the JavaScript vs. Java argumentation here?

For instance, we are using it to mine process model fragments. These
are minded based on the Eclipse BPMN model and generated using it. The
fragments are then displayed and manually analyzed using the Eclipse
modeler. This is not possible with other tools.

We are thankful to JBoss/Red Hat to the continued support of that
product. During our research and contact to our sponsors and industry
partners we really appreciate that support.

I would go even so far that sound research on BPMN models and building
products would not be possible with the ongoing support bei JBoss/Red
Hat. This is only possible with the Eclipse ecosystem (license, IP
checking).

Cheers,

Oliver

2016-03-04 0:56 GMT+01:00 Bob Brodt <bbrodt@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi all,
>
[...]
>
> My personal feelings aside, I'm not convinced that Web Designer is the best
> choice for a native Eclipse BPM process development tool, and I'm trying to
> build a case to present to my Product Manager, arguing against discontinuing
> development of the BPMN2 Modeler project. Since Red Hat is the industry
> leader in Open Source Software, we do listen to you the community members
> when it comes to these kinds of decisions.
>
> Please reply to this mailing list with your
> opinions/experiences/recommendations.
>
> Thanks,
> "The management"
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