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Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.

The BIRT repo seems up to date as of a few minutes ago. Thanks.

AFAICT there are no merge commits, so I'm guessing that the push was entirely fast-forward. Is this accurate?

Wayne

On 04/26/2013 11:52 PM, Wayne Beaton wrote:
Synchronizing multiple distributed repositories is one of the key values provided by Git. Git is designed to solve the distribution, replication, and merge problems. Git, when used properly, is the cloud-based solution that you think you need.

Having the main project content being developed in a Git repository that is "thrown over the wall" every month or week or so is effectively a private project. For all practical purposes, it is impossible to contribute to BIRT so long as the active repository is hidden away where it is inaccessible to the community. If only Actuate employees have any hope of contributing to the project repository, then it is effectively an Actuate project.

Do you encounter specific, real problems when doing a Git push to git.eclipse.org? Let's work them out. Git is designed to make this work, let's make it work.

Wayne

On 04/26/2013 10:00 PM, Wenfeng Li wrote:

I agree with Mike that a public accessible local git is more transparent.  Hence the proposal for the foundation to set up more "local" git servers globally.

 

On the other hand, having a behind the firewall local git doesn't mean the project is Actuate's only,  all committers can set up their own local git and push to the same master git at Eclipse.   This is the distributed nature of Git.

 

As for the suggestion of automatically push local change,    one issue needs to resolve is how to resolve conflicts if there are changes from different "local" git?  

 

An ideal situation is that committers don't need to worry about the source control system and build servers.  A public, reliable, fast, cloud based global solution would be great.

 

Wenfeng

 

 

 

 

 

From: birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 5:49 PM
To: BIRT PMC communications; birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.

 

 

I am not sure that even this would be acceptable. The problem with doing development behind the firewall is that it means that the project is Actuate's, not Eclipse's. How can someone from any other company participate equally on the project if the main development and the 'stable ' builds all happen behind a firewall? 

 

What do you think? 

Mike Milinkovich
mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
+1.613.220.3223

From: Wayne Beaton

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:24 PM

Reply To: BIRT PMC communications (including coordination, announcements, (including coordination, announcements,>)

Subject: Re: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.

 

Git is by its very nature a distributed system. Investing in something like AWS for this makes no sense.

We have no issue with a project team working from a local clone. Some amount of latency is expected, but a full month is too much for a project that is expected to working in an open and transparent manner. It is basically impossible for anybody else to participate in the project if the repository is always days, weeks, or months out-of-date.

The pushes back to eclipse.org have to be done more frequently.

At a minimum, you should be able to very quickly set up a cron job that forces a push to eclipse.org every day, or--even better--a few times a day (every hour). This should literally require a one-liner cron entry.  I can help if necessary.

Your developers shouldn't even notice the push is happening. Even better would be some kind of commit hook that does the push (as Jesse suggests). If a single push fails, the next one will do the job. That's how Git works.

This needs to be automatic.

Please make this happen as soon as possible.

Wayne

On 04/26/2013 04:59 PM, Wenfeng Li wrote:

Wayne

 

Is it your recommendation that projects should not use a local git depot, instead all should just use the Eclipse master git depot?

 

We had run into network and accessibility issue to the Eclipse server in the past that causing delay of work and risking not meeting the simultaneous  release schedule.  There were many times, developers can't do work for a several hours to a couple of day.  And there were one time when the whole team was shut down for a week due to a undersea cable was cut between North America and Asia.    

 

One possible solution is for Eclipse foundation to create a distributed git service around the world (using AWS?), it will allow committers to remove the need of local gits.

 

For now, with distributed git, there is a question of how often you push the local copy to the master copy.  It is a matter of someone needs to do the work.  The more often the push, the more work.  On the other hand, we understand we don't want to have a big gap.    so our plan is to push after every stable build since we expect most users would only be using stable builds.

 

In short, I agree that we need to push the code now, since it has been too long since last push.  The intention was to push at least once a month if not more often after each stable build.

 

br,

 

Wenfeng

 

 

 

 

 

From: birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:20 AM
To: birt-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [birt-pmc] BIRT Git repository may be out of date.

 

I'm moving this discussion out of bugzilla an onto the PMC list.

I assume that you mean "Git" rather than "GitHub".

How often does this push happen?


AFAICT, there hasn't been an commit against BIRT since March 18. But there are bugs that indicate that some work has occurred in the interim. For example:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=404105
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403857
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403860
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=399055
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=403864

I am very concerned that the public repo is very far behind. This makes it difficult for others to participate, solicit contributions, and grow diversity in the project.

Is it true that there hasn't been a commit against the BIRT Git repository in more than a month?

Wayne


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Subject:

[Bug 402274] Wrapped texts when export to ODP

Date:

Fri, 26 Apr 2013 01:25:51 +0000

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https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=402274
Product/Component: BIRT / Report Engine
 
--- Comment #7 from Wenfeng Li <wli@xxxxxxxxxxx> ---
(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #5)
> > you should wait until next open source version published.
> 
> Aren't all versions of BIRT open source?
 
Actuate has a local gitHub that will push to master github after a stable
build.
 
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