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Re: [birt-dev] BIRT Internet Page Mockup
Note that there are some guidelines for project webpages in the handbook (e.g., the first and all prominent references to the project name should be "Eclipse BIRT" and footers must contain links to the privacy policy and terms of use).

The projects.eclipse.org pages are generated mostly from project metadata in our databases. These are intended to be "just the facts" sorts of pages to help people find basic information about projects in a consistent manner. Any project committer can edit (click "Edit") a lot of the content on these pages, but a lot of it is automatically generated from various data sources. If anything is wrong and a committer can't change it, send a note to emo@xxxxxxxxxxx to ask for help sorting it out. There's more information in the handbook.

1.      BIRT is under the EPL 1.0.  Shall this not be changed to 2.0.

The license expressed in the LICENSE file and in the file headers needs to be updated. There's help here.

2.      Is the latest release list correct?

To the best of my knowledge, yes. 

3.      The sponsors should be updated. If you need our logo please let me know.

The "Active Companies" list is updated automatically. A company logo will be listed there when any committer or contributor who works for a company that is a member of the Eclipse Foundation, has made at least one contribution to a project repository in the last three months (member company representatives can upload their company logo via the membership portal). There's more here (note that we recently changed this to include contributors, not just committers).

4.      Please replace the old logo with the new one.

Any committer can click "Edit" on this page and upload a new logo.

5.      Who is taking care of all other pages: who’s involved, Governance, …?

All of this content is generated by metadata.

Wayne
 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 7:05 AM Loetz, Christophe <ChLoetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I added my Github Name in my Eclipse user profile. Is this what you asked for?

If yes fine, if not, I need a hint where to go…

 

Von: birt-dev [mailto:birt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Loetz, Christophe
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. März 2021 11:56
An: For developers on the BIRT project
Betreff: Re: [birt-dev] BIRT Internet Page Mockup

 

Not yet, because I want to transfer the pages and tools once ready for final release, but I will do so.

 

PS: Thanks for using my full first name. Please allow me a little hint: my first name has a little “e” at the end. I own both nationalities German and French…. J I am a French man living in Germany or a German living in France. Take what so ever you like.

 

Von: birt-dev [mailto:birt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Wim Jongman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. März 2021 10:44
An: For developers on the BIRT project
Betreff: Re: [birt-dev] BIRT Internet Page Mockup

 

Christoph, did you add your GitHub account to your Eclipse user profile?

 

Cheers, Wim

 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:41 AM Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

 

> Sorry forgot the link: BIRT BIRT | BIRT (chloetz.github.io)

Wonderful, Christoph.

 

 

 

Von: birt-dev [mailto:birt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Loetz, Christophe
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. März 2021 09:18
An: For developers on the BIRT project
Betreff: Re: [birt-dev] First light

 

Good morning ! (for the ones in here in Europe;)

 

@Wim: great job ! Thanks !

 

For my part:

As I received no further comments on the internet pages, I started to design the home page

 

1.      With respects to Scotts remarks you’ll find About, Get started, and Docs in the middle of the home page. I Designed graphics for all three topics.

2.      I designed the main navigation bar

3.      New Logo für Birt. I think this is more speaking than an octagon. I hope that everybody agrees and that we can continue with the new one.

4.      The Github link is for me and will be removed in a final stage.

5.      I have adapted the footer so that it matches the rest.

 

Please give me a feedback if the design and texts are OK. If yes I will continue on this base for the rest of all pages.

 

@Wayne: Eclipse Business Intelligence and Reporting Tools (BIRT) | projects.eclipse.org

1.      BIRT is under the EPL 1.0.  Shall this not be changed to 2.0.

2.      Is the latest release list correct?

3.      The sponsors should be updated. If you need our logo please let me know.

4.      Please replace the old logo with the new one.

5.      Who is taking care of all other pages: who’s involved, Governance, …?

 

@All: For the contributor, committer internet page I need the info you’d like to read on that page. If there are pictures, logos etc. you want to be integrated, please send them to me: chloetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

 

I’d like to design a page with apps that use BIRT. I know about Actuate and Do you have hints which one I could take? I know

 

The Next page I’ll design will be the About page.

 

Best

Chris

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:09 PM Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Christophe,

 

It looks great. I agree with Scott but you seem to have tackled most of his concerns. Docusaurus looks fine to me too, it is similar in concept to Hugo.

 

Most importantly, it's clear that you have the full vision for the website!

 

Thanks for working on this. Let me know how I can help.

 

Eclipse Webmasters gave us some more information here on how to proceed.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Wim

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 8:47 PM Loetz, Christophe <ChLoetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Scott

 

Thank you Scott for your feedback which I feel very helpful.

 

As far as I understand, you have been a committer to the BIRT project since its beginning. For my part I’ve been a user since its beginning. Besides the technical aspects I and our round about 50,000 users appreciate the good and informative internet pages especially the documentation and templates of the BIRT internet pages. I think we should keep this aspect in mind.

 

Furthermore I’d like to point out that most Eclipse projects have two (2) home pages. The one provided by Eclipse and their one:

 

1.      https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.<project>...

2.      https://www.eclipse.org/<project>

 

From my point of view #2 is in most cases more interesting because it contains “better” information than #1.

I infer that we are creating a narrow web page on Eclipse Layout (#1) that links to a visually and content rich page of type #2. That’s what motivated me to create the page I mailed this afternoon.

 

To keep the page structure simple is fine with me, but it does not make it dispensable to equip them understandable and with adequate information… One reason BIRT has been popular and successful, and hopefully will be again, is certainly that the pages are pedagogically well constructed and once you have gone through the examples you are well equipped to continue on your own.

 

Concerning Hugo I tested 4 different tools of the same type, of course also Hugo. They all work more or less the same way. I felt most comfortable with Docusaurus.

 

Let me please mention that the links I’ve sent was a simple mockup. I didn’t want to represent all aspects of a new BIRT internet page. I wanted a “prototype” to motivate discussion and to get final statements on how to proceed, before investing a lot of time and effort.

 

Concerning the sponsors there is no question actuate was the most important sponsor in first phase. Unfortunately and obviously they are not participating anymore. Therefore I think they should be mentioned as it historically is correct, but todays contributors and committers shall have a predominant place.

 

One thing I believe is getting more and more important is the interconnectivity of projects for market ripe professional software. What do I mean? Where is BIRT used? In ERP, financial, IoT etc. software. We should connect with these projects. I am responsible for the OSBP project and we try to create an Open Standard Business and Enterprise Application Working Group (OSbea) where inter business and inter technique issues can be discussed an solved.  I’d be glad if BIRT would help us to start this cross project idea.

 

So far for tonight. I will wait two days for feedback. Then I will make a resume of the different aspects and will some to everybody in the mailing list for agreement.

 

Kind regards

Chris

 

 

Von: birt-dev [mailto:birt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Scott Rosenbaum
Gesendet: Montag, 15. März 2021 17:17
An: For developers on the BIRT project
Betreff: Re: [birt-dev] BIRT Internet Page Mockup

 

Chris,

 

Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I am sorry, I have not provided any feedback to date. I am going to take a stab and providing some feedback, please don't take offense, I am trying to squeeze this in between some critical deliverables.

 

I thought that the plan was that the BIRT project was just going to use the standard Eclipse project page, and then a standard Eclipse web page

I realize that there is a lot of variability in the above pages, but they seem to look a bit more Eclipse-like. The new page really doesn't have a very solid theme or feel to it. I know that the old pages were somewhat unique, but they had a better palette and use of icons/logos. At a minimum, we need the Eclipse Foundation Footers identifying this as an Eclipse project:
image.png

 

My other concern is that having been with the project when our page was non-standard, I am not sure that I want to have another non-standard page. I know nothing about docusaurus, what happened to using Hugo?  Will docusaurus integrate with all the rest of our code? 

 

In terms of organization, I think less is more. Let's keep it fairly simple and then refer to the Eclipse.org BIRT wiki pages for any details.  I think we should try and make the page work with four basic categories:

  • Landing / About
  • Download
  • Community
  • Getting Started / Documentation

NOTE: I would like to think about how we handle the mention of Sponsors. I don't want to take away from all of the work that OpenText/Actuate has put into the project to date and I feel that they deserve a 'lead' sponsor position. After that, we can look at other companies that have contributed to the project. 

 

Sorry, I can't put more time into this right now, but I will have a better look tonight. 


Scott

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 8:06 AM Loetz, Christophe <ChLoetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi you all,

 

as I said, I built a mockup of a new BIRT internet pages.

I first looked for some tools which could be of any help and I decided to us docusaurus. I hope that is fine for everybody. If there is any objection please let me know.

 

Then I read all the BIRT pages and took the ones apart which seemed to be obviously outdated. Following the internet site I mailed last week I took the content which can be reused from my point of view and I reassigned it. The text must urgently be updated as it still contains information which is outdated.

 

Who is willing to read the text and send me the necessary corrections?

I also need advice how the Chapter Templates & Examples (under Documentation) shall be should be built. Can we configure live demos? Shall new examples and/or templates be published? I am open to any suggestion.

 

The editorial work done, I will update the links when the structure will be final.

 

You can find the mockup at: Hello from BIRT | BIRT (chloetz.github.io)

 

Curious to read your feedback. Please feel free to send me suggestions for improvements, changes and additions.

 

Kind regards

Chris

 

 

 

Von: birt-dev [mailto:birt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von John Ward
Gesendet: Freitag, 12. März 2021 22:18
An: For developers on the BIRT project
Betreff: Re: [birt-dev] Project Members

 

I aim to misbehave, even if it's unintentionally. 🤣🤣🤣

 

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Scott Rosenbaum <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 3/12/21 2:08 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: For developers on the BIRT project <birt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Subject: Re: [birt-dev] Project Members

 

John Ward uncovers a corner case, that would not be a first time eh John?

 

sr

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 2:05 PM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It looks like the elections for John as PL and Alex as committer failed because we didn't get enough votes. This is likely because the notifications of the ongoing elections got lost in the activity on this list. Since we're still in reboot mode, I've just inserted them into the roles rather than run a second election.

 

Alexander Lehmann was just provisioned, and so should show up on the committers list in the next hour or so.

 

Provisioning John as a committer uncovered a corner case in our provisioning system; the EMO Records team is working on getting that resolved.


Wayne

 

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:56 AM Wim Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Wayne,

 

We still do not have a project lead. Also, Alexander Fedorov does not have his commit rights yet.

 

Can you help?

 

Cheers,

 

Wim


 

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