Re: [aspectj-users] Future plans for AJDT

[Nicholas Lesiecki <ndlesiecki@xxxxxxxxx>]

> That could represent the most
> efficient way of working on large aspects, as long as there is a clear UI
> and shortcut for invoking an *incremental* build of the aspects.

What would an *incremental* build of the aspects constitute? Is it different
from a normal incremental build?

> I shy away
> from it some because it might cause people to consider their aspects and
> classes with undue separation

I agree in theory. In practice, changing an aspect always requires a full
rebuild, making the process of changing it very different from the process
of changing a simple Java file. So there's already a separation caused by
the performance characteristics.

Looking forward to the UI document.

Cheers,
Nick

On 11/14/03 1:08 PM, "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> (Sorry about the blank messages.  And I think that Jan only intends to meet
> with me and not the entire users list, although that could be fun too :)
> 
> Nick,
> 
> Right--we could change the AJDT option to "suppress automatic builds of
> aspects" (or perhaps "of .aj files").  That could represent the most
> efficient way of working on large aspects, as long as there is a clear UI
> and shortcut for invoking an *incremental* build of the aspects.  I shy away
> from it some because it might cause people to consider their aspects and
> classes with undue separation.  But I'm working on a UI document right now
> and will include this as a design option for invoking builds.  The document
> will be sent out to the users list for feedback and all will be able to vote
> for the desired default and exposed options.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion,
> 
> Mik
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aspectj-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:aspectj-users-
>> admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nicholas Lesiecki
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:42 AM
>> To: aspectj-users@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [aspectj-users] Future plans for AJDT
>> 
>> Would it make sense to trigger a build for changes in java files but not
>> it
>> aspect files?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> nick
>> 
>> On 11/14/03 12:33 AM, "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chad,
>>> 
>>> I agree with you that the lack of JDT-style build invocation is a major
>>> problem and have set up a high-priority bugzilla report.  If you add
>>> yourself to the CC you will be notified when this is fixed.
>>> 
>>> As Wes points out, changes in aspects trigger a full rebuild.  So we
>> will
>>> keep the option of suppressing automatic builds for AspectJ projects.
>> The
>>> default is another question.  If you have a strong feeling for what it
>>> should be please add it as a note to the bugzilla report.
>>> 
>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=46653
>>> 
>>> Mik
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: aspectj-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:aspectj-users-
>>>> admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chad Woolley
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:27 AM
>>>> To: aspectj-users@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [aspectj-users] Future plans for AJDT
>>>> 
>>>> Adrian Colyer wrote:
>>>>> the purpose of this email is to give you a heads up on our plans and
>>>>> direction, and to invite your feedback and contributions.
>>>> 
>>>> <vent>
>>>> Three words:  Please Fix Autobuild. :)
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know about anybody else, but I can never get this working (the
>>>> faq indicates that it should, but developer posts on the newsgroup
>>>> indicate it doesn't).  This is a huge annoyance to me, and prevents me
>>>> from using the plugin (because I can't remember to manually compile
>>>> every time before I run my unit tests, and therefore get "false
>>>> positives").  It might be useable if ctrl-B even worked, but that
>>>> doesn't seem to either.
>>>> </vent>
>>>> 
>>>> On a positive note, the future plans sound great, and I'm looking
>>>> forward to see them completed.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Chad
>>>> 
>>>> 
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