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Re: [actf-dev] Re: [technology-pmc] Proposed restructure of Eclipse ACTF

Sorry, Wayne - still a little confused. I understand that to completely remove something from the CVS repository means doing a rm -r on the file system once I ssh to the dev.eclipse.org server. On the other hand, to move chunks of code to the "CVS attic," are you saying that this is a job for the web master? How is this different from moving something to archive.eclipse.org? I've googled in general and searched eclipse.org to no avail. Seems to me this process (these options?) ought to be documented somewhere.

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From:        Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        Technology PMC <technology-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:        ACTF developers list <actf-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        01/24/2010 08:58 PM
Subject:        Re: [actf-dev] Re: [technology-pmc] Proposed restructure of Eclipse        ACTF
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When you delete something from CVS it is moved to the "Attic". It can
later be recovered from there. The only way to completely remove
something from CVS is to delete (i.e. rm [file]) it from the file system.

This is fine for relatively small chunks of code. If you are removing
complete chunks of functionality, it would probably be best to instead
ask the webmaster to archive specific directories.

Wayne

Michael A Squillace wrote:
>
> > FWIW, when Konstantin suggested that you can delete the code from
> CVS, he didn't mean the entire history.
> That's not what he said or I understood - phrases like, "throwing away
> chunks of the code base," or, "just delete the source in CVS," suggest
> otherwise. However, we certainly want to abide by EPL.
>
> > Anything you want to delete should either end up in the CVS Attic,
> or be explicitly archived in a ZIP file on archive.eclipse.org.
> Ok, then - what is the process for this. Do we simply take the last
> release and move it to archive.eclipse.org? what is the "CVS attic?"
>
> --> Mike Squillace
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> Inactive hide details for Wayne Beaton ---01/23/2010 09:16:18 PM---You
> had me right up to the "No attempt will be made to archiWayne Beaton
> ---01/23/2010 09:16:18 PM---You had me right up to the "No attempt
> will be made to archive this codebase on eclipse.org." part.
>
> From: Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Technology PMC <technology-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: ACTF developers list <actf-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 01/23/2010 09:16 PM
> Subject: [actf-dev] Re: [technology-pmc] Proposed restructure of
> Eclipse ACTF
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>
>
> You had me right up to the "No attempt will be made to archive this
> codebase on eclipse.org." part. What do you mean by this?
>
> FWIW, when Konstantin suggested that you can delete the code from CVS,
> he didn't mean the entire history. Once something has been contributed
> under the EPL, it's there forever. The only time we ever completely
> delete something from CVS is when there is an IP problem.
>
> Anything you want to delete should either end up in the CVS Attic, or
> be explicitly archived in a ZIP file on archive.eclipse.org.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne
>
> Michael A Squillace wrote:
>
>             Technology PMC:
>
>             This note is to formally introduce and receive approval
>             for a restructuring of the Eclipse Accessibility Tools
>             Framework (ACTF) project.[1] It follows a number of
>             communications with you and the ACTF community, including
>             a teleconference for the ACTF community hosted on Fri Jan
>             22 9AM EST [2] to discuss this restructuring.
>
>             Background
>
>             Recently, there have been a number of resource limitations
>             and shifting internal priorities at the IBM Human Ability
>             and Accessibility Center (HA&AC). Also, since the
>             inception of the ACTF project in October 2007, we have
>             seen little participation in or consumption of our
>             contributions to ACTF. We, the HA&AC, cannot continue to
>             shoulder the requirements that must be satisfied by our
>             componentry that are necessary to ensure the advancement
>             of the ACTF project to graduation (e.g. provide and
>             implement a project plan and regular release schedule,
>             continue to solicit community involvement and requests for
>             enhancements, etc.). On the other hand, we do not wish to
>             prevent our colleagues in Tokyo and other members of the
>             ACTF community from carrying the project to graduation.
>             Thus, Kentarou Fukuda and I, as co-technical leads of ACTF
>             and Chieko Asakawa, ACTF project lead, are proposing a
>             restructuring of ACTF.
>
>             Proposed solutions:
>
>             In discussing this proposal with members of your
>             committee, two approaches have been recommended:
>             1. Wayne Beaton, the Technology PMC Lead, suggested
>             dividing ACTF into subprojects [3], presumably so that all
>             HA&AC-contributed componentry will reside in one
>             subproject, that subproject then being archived according
>             to the Eclipse development process.[4]
>             2. Also from the Technology PMC, Konstantin Komissarchik
>             wrote, "There is really nothing stopping a project from
>             throwing away chunks of the code base for a variety of
>             reasons. There is no formal archiving process as there is
>             for projects. You just delete the source in CVS and that's
>             that. Just make sure that you have involved your entire
>             project in the decision and have communicated your
>             intentions accordingly to any potential downstream
>             consumers."[5]
>
>             Proposed restructuring:
>
>             The HA&AC will no longer actively participate in this
>             project and, therefore, our contributions, which consist
>             entirely of work done by IBM commiters and contributors
>             and have no down stream dependencies or consumers of which
>             we are aware, will be removed from the ACTF project
>             following the guidance of the second recommendation above.
>             In particular, we are proposing the following:
>
>             1. Remove from the Eclipse CVS repository the ACTF Java
>             Validation Componentry (Javaco) feature and its related
>             plugins and resources. The ACTF community, with input from
>             the IBM HA&AC, will maintain control over decisions
>             about the project's future reactivation or enhancement
>             (should further requirements arise and resources permit).
>             The last release of this componentry (v0.4.0), both its
>             binary and SDK versions, will remain on the Javaco
>             downloads page [6] with a notice that the componentry is
>             no longer actively developed or supported. No attempt will
>             be made to archive this codebase on eclipse.org.
>
>             2. Remove from the Eclipse CVS repository the ACTF Web
>             Validation Componentry (Webelo) feature and its related
>             plugins and resources. The ACTF community, with input from
>             the IBM HA&AC, will maintain control over decisions
>             about the projectthe 's reactivation or enhancement
>             (should further requirements arise and resources permit).
>             The last release of this componentry (v0.2.0), both its
>             binary and SDK versions, will remain on the Webelo
>             downloads page [7] with a notice that the componentry is
>             no longer
>             actively developed or supported. No attempt will be made
>             to archive this codebase on eclipse.org.
>
>             3. Remove from the Eclipse CVS repository the ACTF
>             Accessibility Probe (AccProbe) RCP application as well as
>             its related plugins and resources. AccProbe will remain an
>             Eclipse RCP application but further development and
>             enhancements will be directed by the IBM HA&AC and by the
>             IAccessible2 community residing at the Linux Foundation
>             [8] and in a code repository designated by that
>             organization. The last release of AccProbe (v0.4.4), both
>             its binary and SDK versions, will remain on the AccProbe
>             downloads page [9] with a notice that the new home of
>             AccProbe is the Linux Foundation.
>
>             Of course, any plugins or resources that are shared
>             between our components and components thus far developed
>             by other teams within IBM or by external committers will
>             remain in the Eclipse CVS repository hosting ACTF and
>             these can be developed as their leads see fit. We would
>             like feedback from the members of the ACTF community, the
>             Technology PMC, and the community at large as well as
>             other interested parties regarding this proposal.
>
>             Time table:
>
>             1. host a phone conference for the ACTF community and
>             other interested parties regarding this matter by the end
>             of January 2010 (see above and note [1])
>             2. receive any concerns or questions about this proposal
>             within four weeks of the date of this proposal being
>             discussed on said teleconference (Fri Feb 19, 2010)
>             3. alert the ACTF community of any changes or updates
>             given feedback to this proposal and adjust time table
>             accordingly
>             4. once all objections and concerns have been addressed,
>             implement the above restructuring
>
>             We expect the restructuring to be complete by the end of
>             February 2010 and look forward to your comments. Also,
>             please let us know if any type of review is in order.
>
>             [1] _http://www.eclipse.org/actf_
>             [2]
>             _http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/actf-dev/msg00274.html_
>             [3]
>             _http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/technology-pmc/msg02202.html_
>             [4]
>             _http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php#6_2_6_Ar_
>             [5]
>             _http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/technology-pmc/msg02204.html_
>             [6]
>             _http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/components/javaco/index.php_
>             [7]
>             _http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/components/webelo/index.php_
>             [8]
>             _http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/iaccessible2_
>             [9]
>             _http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/accprobe/index.php_
>
>             --> Mike Squillace
>             IBM Human Ability and Accessibility Center
>
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