Bug 82251 - Cannot distinguish faded red and green icons easily
Summary: Cannot distinguish faded red and green icons easily
Status: NEW
Alias: None
Product: JDT
Classification: Eclipse Project
Component: UI (show other bugs)
Version: 3.0   Edit
Hardware: PC Windows XP
: P3 normal with 1 vote (vote)
Target Milestone: ---   Edit
Assignee: Andrée Proulx CLA
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Reported: 2005-01-05 11:17 EST by Randy Hudson CLA
Modified: 2022-06-06 13:38 EDT (History)
2 users (show)

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easier to see versions (1.02 KB, image/gif)
2005-01-05 11:20 EST, Randy Hudson CLA
no flags Details
Comparison of original V6.0 icons to newly modified icons (1.26 KB, image/gif)
2005-01-05 12:23 EST, Janet Mockler CLA
no flags Details
Colour blind testing (61.89 KB, image/jpeg)
2005-03-24 14:04 EST, Janet Mockler CLA
no flags Details

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Description Randy Hudson CLA 2005-01-05 11:17:17 EST
"private" icon is a red square.  public is green circle.  I'm red-green color 
blind and cannot distinguish these colors two colors when the saturation is as 
low as it is in Eclipse.  The green in this case is only 30% saturation, while 
the red is around 60%.
Comment 1 Randy Hudson CLA 2005-01-05 11:20:24 EST
Created attachment 16942 [details]
easier to see versions

The attached image shows original versions on left, and versions on the right
which are easier to distinguish.
Comment 2 Dirk Baeumer CLA 2005-01-05 11:29:18 EST
Andree,

can the design team please comment on this.
Comment 3 Janet Mockler CLA 2005-01-05 12:23:00 EST
Created attachment 16947 [details]
Comparison of original V6.0 icons to newly modified icons

Thanks for your comment and the attachment illustrating your comment.

Shape is used as the primary method of distinction. Color is a secondary
attribute used to aid in distinction (a square, a circle, a diamond and a
triangle). Using color as a primary mode of distinction is avoided due to
accessibility concerns.

See the attachment where I've changed the original and the modified icons to
greyscale and we see that there is very little variation in the value of the
two sets. The shape of the object is used to distinguish between the circle and
the square.

Thanks, Janet
Comment 4 Randy Hudson CLA 2005-01-05 13:07:54 EST
I don't understand your comments.  I am the target audience for why color alone 
should not be used. I'm color-blind, but it doesn't mean I see in black and 
white.  I can see the difference between red and green, but there is no reason 
to use faded green and faded red in eclipse when more saturated versions are 
easier to see, especially for colorblind users like myself.

Use of shapes here isn't perfect. These icons are often decorated with 
triangles, squares with X's in them, the letter "S" and "F" and other things 
I'm probably forgetting.  The combination of shape and color would be the 
strongest visual indicator.
Comment 5 Janet Mockler CLA 2005-03-24 14:04:51 EST
Created attachment 19170 [details]
Colour blind testing

The concern I have with modifying the green circle to the color you're
suggesting is that it is far off of the color palette that we've established
for the eclipse-based tool last year. The green is a very 'bright' green. As a
result the green is much more dominant than the red color, and not harmonious
with the overall color scheme, to folks without colour blindness.

Also I realize, based on the number of overlays often used in JDT that shape as
a distinctor may not always be useful.

Based on testing that I've done with the original and the versions you've
created... I agree that there is a problem for people with deuteranopia, who
are relying on the color to distinguish the icons. 

To resolve these two issues, I've created a version that is somewhere between
the color you've suggested for the green circle (public) and between the
original color in the V6.0 icon (see mod.2)
Comment 6 Chris Dennett CLA 2005-04-03 16:51:48 EDT
I like the middle version better than the original version ;)
Comment 7 Randy Hudson CLA 2005-04-03 21:40:50 EDT
Photoshop is not colorblind, and according to the eyedropper, the "green-ness" 
is the same as the "red-ness" for the proposed icons. I've made the saturation 
the same.  Regardless, it's a weak argument to say that anything more than 30% 
saturated is "very bright green".
Comment 8 Eclipse Genie CLA 2020-06-01 07:23:46 EDT
This bug hasn't had any activity in quite some time. Maybe the problem got resolved, was a duplicate of something else, or became less pressing for some reason - or maybe it's still relevant but just hasn't been looked at yet.

If you have further information on the current state of the bug, please add it. The information can be, for example, that the problem still occurs, that you still want the feature, that more information is needed, or that the bug is (for whatever reason) no longer relevant.

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Comment 9 Eclipse Genie CLA 2022-06-06 13:38:09 EDT
This bug hasn't had any activity in quite some time. Maybe the problem got resolved, was a duplicate of something else, or became less pressing for some reason - or maybe it's still relevant but just hasn't been looked at yet.

If you have further information on the current state of the bug, please add it. The information can be, for example, that the problem still occurs, that you still want the feature, that more information is needed, or that the bug is (for whatever reason) no longer relevant.

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