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EMF has provided a Validate menu action for many years. Using the M3 platform I now see two Validate menu actions. The Menu plugin spy tells be that the lower one between "Debug As" and "Team" is contributed by org.eclipse.ui.workbench. This is going to be very confusing for EMF users, which arguably includes all platform users. The new Validate action does not appear to be a simple duplicate since it reports no problems when the EMF Validate reports problems. It seems that either the platform "Validate" should rename to avoid the conflict or a validation API should enable the EMF Validate to extend the platform facility.
Ed, can you provide more details please? Screenshot, build ID etc.
Created attachment 271632 [details] Menu, spy screenshots First 264 lines of configuration below. I see the same problem on another machine that is a straight M3 base. *** Date: Friday, 24 November 2017 at 15:17:56 Greenwich Mean Time *** Platform Details: *** System properties: ant.home=E:\Tools\Eclipse\4.8M3+\plugins\org.apache.ant_1.10.1.v20170504-0840 ant.library.dir=E:\Tools\Eclipse\4.8M3+\plugins\org.apache.ant_1.10.1.v20170504-0840\lib applicationXMI=org.eclipse.ui.workbench/LegacyIDE.e4xmi awt.toolkit=sun.awt.windows.WToolkit ds.delayed.keepInstances=true eclipse.ant.noInput=true eclipse.application=org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench eclipse.buildId=4.8.0.I20171106-2000 eclipse.commands=-os win32 -ws win32 -arch x86_64 -showsplash -launcher E:\Tools\Eclipse\4.8M3+\eclipse.exe -name Eclipse --launcher.library E:\Tools\Eclipse\4.8M3+\\plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.win32.win32.x86_64_1.1.600.v20170921-0935\eclipse_1627.dll -startup E:\Tools\Eclipse\4.8M3+\\plugins/org.eclipse.equinox.launcher_1.4.0.v20161219-1356.jar --launcher.appendVmargs -exitdata 1a68_d0 -clean -data 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(In reply to Ed Willink from comment #2) > Created attachment 271632 [details] > Menu, spy screenshots Thanks Ed, that helped. > I see the same problem on another machine that is a straight M3 base. Not sure what "base" is for you, but in our Platform SDK: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/S-4.8M3a-201710300400/ there is no validate menu item and this is expected. The ValidationMenuAction class is from webtools. The spy is a bit misleading as it shows the plug-in that placed the item there. So, all items that are contributed via extension point from e.g. org.eclipse.ui.workbench will show that as contributing plug-in (see bug 276867).
I don't see any WTP Features in the list, though.
(In reply to Ed Willink from comment #0) > EMF has provided a Validate menu action for many years. > > Using the M3 platform I now see two Validate menu actions. The Menu plugin > spy tells be that the lower one between "Debug As" and "Team" is contributed > by org.eclipse.ui.workbench. > > This is going to be very confusing for EMF users, which arguably includes > all platform users. > > The new Validate action does not appear to be a simple duplicate since it > reports no problems when the EMF Validate reports problems. > > It seems that either the platform "Validate" should rename to avoid the > conflict or a validation API should enable the EMF Validate to extend the > platform facility. Ed, WTP's Validate menu action was put into place 13 years ago. It runs WTP's validation framework (which adopters have been extending for 13 years). It does not do an EMF validation- it runs validators that are registered to it and will report problems that are found by those validators. This is a validation API... but one that is added above the EMF layer. Since it has been around for so many years, I am not sure how it will suddenly become an issue for EMF users. If EMF's Validate menu action is less than 13 years old, then it is the "new" Validate action. What do you propose? Nitin, org.eclipse.wst.validation.ui uses ValidationMenuAction to contribute a ValidateAction where appropriate. This does appear to be WTP's Validate menu action.
EMF's validate action is 14 years old. What we did in Oomph's editor is get rid of a lot of these contributed actions that generally make a lot of noise. I.e., how does Run As/Debug As ever make sense on the context menu of a *.ecore file? But that's hard to do without an explicit list of what not to show because it makes no sense or is confusing. I'm really not sure how to resolve this. I just ignore it...
(In reply to Carl Anderson from comment #5) > What do you propose? (In reply to Ed Willink from comment #0) > It seems that either the platform "Validate" should rename to avoid the > conflict or a validation API should enable the EMF Validate to extend the > platform facility.
I'm not sure I understand. Is there a "platform facility" involved? I thought all this came from WTP's WST... Obviously EMF is not going to extend something from WTP. I imagine "Validate XML" might be more a explicit name/description that the XML itself will be validated rather than some other more deeply semantic validation. After all, this menu item appears everywhere, even in the Package explore on a plugin.xml or feature.xml where it only complains about a missing DTD or XML Schema rather than doing some type of actual deep semantic validation of the plugin.xml/feature.xml, which the user might expect. In fact it does completely useless things like this in a great many contexts; better would be if it were filtered to appear only on files where the DTD/Schema was actually known...
I was trying to observe that since two different communities had found that "Validate" is a useful concept, the platform could provide a coordinating menu capability analogous to Open/Open With... or Print or Run As... I presume that there are some files for which both EMF's and WST's Validate are differently useful making both necessary. Guessing a bit. If WST's Validate is XSD based and EMF is Ecore based, then neither project will want to merge the other's capabilities. If another project supports yet another validation mechanism, possibly involving semantic concepts, yet another Validate might be appropriate. This suggests that a Validate/Validate With... may be appropriate with the default Validate tracking the default Open.
