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Re: [science-iwg] web Re: e3 or e4

Matt,

No, Scout doesn't solve that problem. We will have to develop a new web implementation of EAVP I think.

Jay


On Sep 12, 2016 5:10 AM, <Matt.Gerring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello,

 

Thanks for sharing this debate, it is helpful. We have a database backed web application for navigating data, which has (of course) been reasonably cheap and easy to develop. Various staff (some senior) at different times, have got enthusiastic about doing more in web applications; partly because of this I think. However how we are actually going to achieve the complex needs of a data acquisition system in web pages has not been thought through in my opinion.

 

I made a RAP version of DAWN a few years back and the plotting in draw2d mostly worked, as did many of the tools but we hit the static data problem – does Scout solve that problem?

 

All the best,

 

Matt

 

 

From: science-iwg-bounces@eclipse.org [mailto:science-iwg-bounces@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Jay Jay Billings
Sent: 11 September 2016 01:38
To: Science Industry Working Group
Subject: Re: [science-iwg] web Re: e3 or e4

 

Kay,

I'm strongly leaning towards Eclipse Scout. It has a design very similar to what I came up with on my own, so I figure it is worth a shot. Right now I'm still messing with tools though and trying things out, so I'll keep you posted.

Jay

 

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Kasemir, Kay <kasemirk@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi:

> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:14:35 -0400
> From: Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> FWIW, on ICE and EAVP we're looking at the future being through web
> interfaces, not the e3 or e4 workbench. We are breaking ICE into "Mark II"
> (2.x) and "Mark III" lines, where the former is a hybrid e3/e4 workbench
> and the latter has an entirely web base UI. If any of its parts end up
> being "back-ported," then it will be through an SWT Browser widget.

I agree that web is great for end users. Like most people I love Amazon, eBay, trello, google docs.
But implementing web clients in html+css+_javascript_ is tedious, especially the _javascript_ part
when lack of compile-time type checking combines with nuances of different browsers.

If there’s a huge user base, it’s worth biting the bullet and investing into the web development.
But science tools have a comparably small audience.
For a tool that’s used on a few beamlines, we can do quite a good job in Eclipse RCP and install it on the beam line.
Developing the same as a web app, I think, would take a lot longer. OK, once it’s done, anybody with a web browser could use it, to scaling from 10 to 10000 beam lines would be trivial. But we don’t have that many ;-)

Have you identified promising tools/technologies for an ICE web UI?

Thanks,
Kay
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