Since Matt mentioned domain meetings, we are trying to negotiate an eclipse science themed workshop associated with a domain conference in Copenhagen in October.
https://nobugs.esss.se/
Originally it was to be a DAWN workshop but we think expanding the scope would be better. More details to follow.
Alun
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Hello,
I do agree with Erwin. Synchrotron and neutron sources do have existing forums for meeting each other and sharing code, however we would be an easy win since
we are doing similar things, at least computing wise.
All the best,
Matt
Thanks Erwin :-)
I skip the draft I was just about to send. This is exactly what I meant.
Best,
Philip
Am 15.03.2016 um 14:34 schrieb Erwin de Ley:
Jay, Philip, all,
Permit me to also add some 2-cents, based on what I've seen at the (mainly synchrotron) institutions that we've been working with. I'm sure Matt and others have a much deeper knowledge on this, and they can correct me, add more info etc. I just want to trigger
some thoughts here ;-)
At the synchrotrons I've seen ideas and efforts that not only want to allow sharing datasets between different users, but also between different tools (interactive and automated).
Another topic is that datasets are becoming ever bigger, and the volume of them as well. Insofar that engineering has to provide storage and access services for the (visiting) scientists and that the moment is getting near that the raw data is no longer easily
transportable, e.g. to a scientists home institution.
Some aspects of this :
1. common / standard storage formats, i.e. the technical format / filetype
2. within those technical "containers", trying to standardize nomenclature & functional structures
and provide abstraction tools that can work with different storage variations in a common way
3. large storage infrastructures and corresponding tools/APIs to allow storing huge volumes of datasets and make them accessible in a controlled manner
4....
E.g. :
1. is about HDF5, Nexus...
2. DAWN's loaders, Soleil's CDMA, I remember that Philip also described ChemClips's related features to work with many different file formats..
3. e.g. ICAT, http://pan-data.eu/about, ...
The Science IWG would be a great place to collect cross-domain requirements and to extract knowhow, APIs, libraries, ... to integrate some of these aspects!
cheers
erwin
Op 15/03/2016 om 13:14 schreef Jay Jay Billings:
Philip,
That's an interesting idea. Will you write a little more about what you have in mind?
Jay
On Mar 15, 2016 4:58 AM, "Erwin de Ley" <erwin.de.ley@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All,
Great to see a top-level project being planned!
And a definite +1 for Tobias' and Philip's suggestions.
cheers
erwin
Op 15/03/2016 om 08:38 schreef Philip Wenig:
Jay, everyone,
it would be great if we could include under section "Scope" also:
* Storing scientific data and enable an easy exchange between researchers.
Best,
Philip
Am 15.03.2016 um 08:33 schrieb Tobias Verbeke:
Thanks for the revisions.
Here is an updated version with most of your changes worked in one way or the other. Please let me know what you think. Two things:
*BSD is already mentioned next to EDL.
*Exporting cryptographic algorithms is a violation of US export control laws. So we need to explicitly say that we will not work on cryptography or its applications.
OK... Adding a sentence that provides the background (along 'In order to comply with ..., ') may be useful.
Doing compression or anonymization are separate subjects, regardless of the origins of the techniques.
Jay
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tobias,
Good suggestions. I'll work them in.
Jay
On Mar 14, 2016 17:24, "Tobias Verbeke" <tobias.verbeke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some comments on the Science TLP draft:
- modeling and simulation is only one way to collect (in this case generate) and analyze scientific data (be it in the physical or social sciences); this could be broadened to collection and
analysis of sample survey data and experimental data
- maybe add economics to the social sciences ?
- tools and libraries for statistics, machine learning, artificial intelligence, data mining,
text mining
- data structures should not be limited to 3D; we want to live in more dimensions
- visualization: a detail, but 4D is not uncommon (including e.g. time dimension)
- I don't understand why we should explicitly exclude (the mathematics of) cryptography; certain anonymization or privacy-protecting procedures as applied to scientific data can use cryptographic
techniques
- I would use Revised BSD or 3-clause BSD next to (or rather than) EDL; I understand the inclination to use EDL, but the name is not widely known (e.g. Wikipedia knows EPL but not EDL) and,
if it does not make any practical difference, the other names are much more recognizable and therefore reassuring to people.
Everyone,
This draft is under review by the Steering Committee too and we are going to review it one final time on Wednesday. We will share our thoughts with you then.
Ideally we would have as much community feedback addressed in the document as possible before we submit it to the Foundation. So please speak up if you have ideas!
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Andrea Ross <andrea.ross@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Everyone,
A draft of the Science Top Level Project can be
viewed and commented on here. If you're interested in edit access, just ask and I'll grant it to you.
A few folks asked what a Top Level Project (TLP) is in our annual meeting. It's a code-less project that provides vetting for important practices of the projects hosted beneath it. The members of the TLP are called the Project Management Committee (PMC). Here's
a page listing the kinds of things the PMC does:
https://wiki.eclipse.org/PMC
A couple of key ones are:
-
reviewing, discussing, and approving/rejecting CQ requests before they go to the intellectual property (IP) team.
-
some checks & balances related to committer elections
Kind regards,
Andrea
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