| Re: [science-iwg] Apache Commons Math 3 and similar cases |
Werner
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1. Re: Apache Commons Math 3 and similar cases (UOMo)
2. Re: Apache Commons Math 3 and similar cases
(Torkild Ulv?y Resheim)
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:13:50 +0200
From: UOMo <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Apache Commons Math 3 and similar cases
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Philip,
Were they untampered exactly as the JAR files in MavenCentral?
http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails%7Corg.apache.commons%7Ccommons-math3%7C3.5%7Cjar
The mentioned JAR already contains all necessary OSGi information, so if
the IP concern was sorted out, that should be OK. It wouldn't be OK to rip
something out, Apache simply doesn't allow it, nor would e.g. Eclipse like
a JAR file that's missing a core class or bundle making it incompatible?;-)
Cheers,
Werner
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> Dear All,
>
> Last week beside my own talk about standards and data quality at Apache Big
> Data / ApacheCon Core Europe I took part in discussions at Apache BarCamp
> Europe, too.
>
> A topic discussed was "Small Reusable Components". To find out, if there
> was a smaller set of libraries for components that are found useful to more
> than one project. At the moment it is mostly Commons. And several
> participants mentioned cases similar to the issue Eclipse IP team feels
> present in Commons Math 3.
>
> Members of the Apache Board and similar administrative bodies at Apache
> Foundation made very clear in the BarCamp, that should a single class be
> missing or different from an official release, the artifact must no longer
> be called "Apache Commons Math" or similar.
>
> The "com.springsource..." clones of widely used open source projects would
> be a good example of how to do it if all else fails. Should Philip not find
> a solution with Eclipse IP to get Apache Commons Math 3 entirely unchanged
> (not sure about the OSGi Manifest where missing, but looking at those
> Spring bundles it seems even that might be a breach of original artifact)
> into Orbit, the only legal way would be adding it under something like
> "com.lablicate.apache.commons.math3".
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Werner
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> From: Philip Wenig <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Werner,
>
> libraries are published OSGi ready in Orbit. The purpose is an easy
> consuming in Eclipse projects. No renaming. Nothing else.
>
>
> Philip
>
> Am 06.10.2015 um 09:54 schrieb UOMo:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Last week beside my own talk about standards and data quality at
> > Apache Big Data / ApacheCon Core Europe I took part in discussions at
> > Apache BarCamp Europe, too.
> >
> > A topic discussed was "Small Reusable Components". To find out, if
> > there was a smaller set of libraries for components that are found
> > useful to more than one project. At the moment it is mostly Commons.
> > And several participants mentioned cases similar to the issue Eclipse
> > IP team feels present in Commons Math 3.
> >
> > Members of the Apache Board and similar administrative bodies at
> > Apache Foundation made very clear in the BarCamp, that should a single
> > class be missing or different from an official release, the artifact
> > must no longer be called "Apache Commons Math" or similar.
> >
> > The "com.springsource..." clones of widely used open source projects
> > would be a good example of how to do it if all else fails. Should
> > Philip not find a solution with Eclipse IP to get Apache Commons Math
> > 3 entirely unchanged (not sure about the OSGi Manifest where missing,
> > but looking at those Spring bundles it seems even that might be a
> > breach of original artifact) into Orbit, the only legal way would be
> > adding it under something like "com.lablicate.apache.commons.math3".
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:59:56 +0200
From: Torkild Ulv?y Resheim <torkildr@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Apache Commons Math 3 and similar cases
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Hi Werner,
I think your concerns are unfounded. The discussion earlier just pointed out that certain classes were problematic. As it tuned out that was not the case. We can now use the JAR as it is. Which is of course much better than having to modify, repackage and _rebrand_ it. I don?t think anyone here will find it OK to have a modified version of any official release posing as the real deal.
Best regards,
Torkild
> 6. okt. 2015 kl. 18.13 skrev UOMo <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Philip,
>
> Were they untampered exactly as the JAR files in MavenCentral?
>
> http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails%7Corg.apache.commons%7Ccommons-math3%7C3.5%7Cjar
> The mentioned JAR already contains all necessary OSGi information, so if the IP concern was sorted out, that should be OK. It wouldn't be OK to rip something out, Apache simply doesn't allow it, nor would e.g. Eclipse like a JAR file that's missing a core class or bundle making it incompatible?;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Werner
>
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> Dear All,
>
> Last week beside my own talk about standards and data quality at Apache Big
> Data / ApacheCon Core Europe I took part in discussions at Apache BarCamp
> Europe, too.
>
> A topic discussed was "Small Reusable Components". To find out, if there
> was a smaller set of libraries for components that are found useful to more
> than one project. At the moment it is mostly Commons. And several
> participants mentioned cases similar to the issue Eclipse IP team feels
> present in Commons Math 3.
>
> Members of the Apache Board and similar administrative bodies at Apache
> Foundation made very clear in the BarCamp, that should a single class be
> missing or different from an official release, the artifact must no longer
> be called "Apache Commons Math" or similar.
>
> The "com.springsource..." clones of widely used open source projects would
> be a good example of how to do it if all else fails. Should Philip not find
> a solution with Eclipse IP to get Apache Commons Math 3 entirely unchanged
> (not sure about the OSGi Manifest where missing, but looking at those
> Spring bundles it seems even that might be a breach of original artifact)
> into Orbit, the only legal way would be adding it under something like
> "com.lablicate.apache.commons.math3".
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Werner
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> From: Philip Wenig <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Werner,
>
> libraries are published OSGi ready in Orbit. The purpose is an easy
> consuming in Eclipse projects. No renaming. Nothing else.
>
>
> Philip
>
> Am 06.10.2015 um 09:54 schrieb UOMo:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Last week beside my own talk about standards and data quality at
> > Apache Big Data / ApacheCon Core Europe I took part in discussions at
> > Apache BarCamp Europe, too.
> >
> > A topic discussed was "Small Reusable Components". To find out, if
> > there was a smaller set of libraries for components that are found
> > useful to more than one project. At the moment it is mostly Commons.
> > And several participants mentioned cases similar to the issue Eclipse
> > IP team feels present in Commons Math 3.
> >
> > Members of the Apache Board and similar administrative bodies at
> > Apache Foundation made very clear in the BarCamp, that should a single
> > class be missing or different from an official release, the artifact
> > must no longer be called "Apache Commons Math" or similar.
> >
> > The "com.springsource..." clones of widely used open source projects
> > would be a good example of how to do it if all else fails. Should
> > Philip not find a solution with Eclipse IP to get Apache Commons Math
> > 3 entirely unchanged (not sure about the OSGi Manifest where missing,
> > but looking at those Spring bundles it seems even that might be a
> > breach of original artifact) into Orbit, the only legal way would be
> > adding it under something like "com.lablicate.apache.commons.math3".
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
> >
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