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Re: [science-iwg] Debrief Maritime Analysis Workbench

Matt/all,

Thanks for the input. I believe, DAWNSci is also among the Science projects using the old/rejected JSR 275 directly

Also via JScience, its RI till the JSR was stopped. Leaving the paradoxon of GeoAPI embedding it in another standard aside, the JCP PMO recently reminded us in a call, that strictly speaking a JSR that was stopped is only for "evaluation purposes", see

(iii) includes the following notice:
    "This is an implementation of an early-draft specification developed under the Java Community Process (JCP) and is made available for testing and evaluation purposes only. The code is not compatible with any specification of the JCP."
this was the JSR 275 license:

The CQ filed by a LocationTech project like uDIG I believe wrongly pointed to the RI license (BSD) only, but that wasn't the case for JSR 275 and pertty much every JSR.

Same for 363. SmartHome filed a CQ to use the new (active) JSR quite some while ago, but so far it's been stuck in Eclipse IP legal system or considered "less important" compared to other projects or the Mars Release Train.

We hope, not only SmartHome, but DAWNSci, UOMo or Debrief (though that is not an Eclipse.org project as of now, so it's free to use JSR 363 at any time;-) and other projects can use JSR 363 instead of the old archived one?

The Spec License may be very similar (see template for every JSR https://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/speclead/pre-final-license.txt) JSR 354 https://github.com/JavaMoney/jsr354-api shows, what the 2 license files look like in the Final Release, but 275 is no longer "active", while 363 is.

Kind Regards,

Werner Keil Eclipse UOMo Lead, Babel Language Champion | JSR 363 Co Spec Lead | JCP EC Member

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Jay/all,

Thanks for the information. Debrief already uses JSR 275 (mostly through
GeoAPI at the moment) and just looking at the screenshots in
http://debrief.info/get-debrief/ it's quite obvious, why Ian strongly
considers using it in other parts of the system, too or (should Orbit also
finally offer a chance to use it instead of the rejected/archived 275;-)
JSR 363 which would be his preference.

Kind Regards,

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Lead | JCP EC Member

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> Debrief if a Maritime Analysis Workbench based on the Eclipse RCP. Ian sent
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Hi all,
thanks for taking an interest.   Whilst Debrief is relatively mature
(20 years old, sitting on Eclipse since 2005) - it really is a niche
application, focussed on narrow analysis problem (the "forensic
analysis of trials and exercises by ships, submarines & helicopters at
sea").  But,  if you're interested in investigating how Debrief has
approached some common analysis/replay challenges you could learn
quite a lot in a short time by watching the two YouTube videos linked
from the home page (http://www.debrief.info).

My approach to Jay was to determine if the community could/should have
a role in a standalone capability I'll be developing for analysis of
ad-hoc collections of time-series data.  I'm hoping that by making the
software "dimensionally-aware" it can logically offer sensible
operations to selected data series (adding two length series to get
another length series, dividing a length series by a time series to
get a speed series).  I'll then be incorporating the capability into
Debrief for my analysts - but think the analysis capability is most
likely to "have legs" if it's developed outside the Debrief
application with suitably accommodating license(s).

After learning more about your community I can see there is already
the DAWN environment.  The Triquetrum project also appears to provide
a great set of capabilities.  So, it appears I should persevere with
"prior works" research before re-inventing my wheel.

Thanks in advance for any steering/feedback you're able to offer.

cheers,
Ian


On 17 July 2015 at 14:19, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Everyone,
>
> Please let me introduce you to Ian Mayo and his product, Debrief
>
> http://debrief.info/get-debrief/
>
> Debrief if a Maritime Analysis Workbench based on the Eclipse RCP. Ian sent
> me some information about it this morning and it looks very cool!
>
> Jay
>
> --
> Jay Jay Billings
> Oak Ridge National Laboratory
> Twitter Handle: @jayjaybillings



--
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Deep Blue C Technology Ltd
- New technologies, implemented well


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Ian,



The concept of Dataset in DAWNSci attempts to provide the numerical things that you mention for n-Dimensions. It took many man-years to develop and has many mathematical operations supported, also reads many file formats. It is available as a low dependency eclipse plugins and is at incubator stage, EPL licensed. The units are not currently automatically stored from operations in the metadata as you suggest, I added a possible example of how we could perhaps change things to support it using jscience. The attached tutorial deals with getting to grips with it (checking out from eclipse incubator).



Sincerely,



Matt Gerring

Diamond Light Source





I would have thought that if a JScience part of metadata is declared, we could potentially do the math of the unit along with the array. For instance:



DoubleDataset distance = new DoubleDataset(...); // nD!

Distance.addMetadata(new UnitMetadata(SI.METER));



DoubleDataset time = new DoubleDataset(...); // nD; Normally one would load this with the loader

time.addMetadata(new UnitMetadata (SI.SECOND));



IDataset speed = Maths.derivative(distance, time, 0); // deltas are required for speed

// speed could now have the UnitMetadata set to SI.METERS_PER_SECOND









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Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Debrief Maritime Analysis Workbench



Hi all,

thanks for taking an interest.   Whilst Debrief is relatively mature

(20 years old, sitting on Eclipse since 2005) - it really is a niche application, focussed on narrow analysis problem (the "forensic analysis of trials and exercises by ships, submarines & helicopters at sea").  But,  if you're interested in investigating how Debrief has approached some common analysis/replay challenges you could learn quite a lot in a short time by watching the two YouTube videos linked from the home page (http://www.debrief.info).



My approach to Jay was to determine if the community could/should have a role in a standalone capability I'll be developing for analysis of ad-hoc collections of time-series data.  I'm hoping that by making the software "dimensionally-aware" it can logically offer sensible operations to selected data series (adding two length series to get another length series, dividing a length series by a time series to get a speed series).  I'll then be incorporating the capability into Debrief for my analysts - but think the analysis capability is most likely to "have legs" if it's developed outside the Debrief application with suitably accommodating license(s).



After learning more about your community I can see there is already the DAWN environment.  The Triquetrum project also appears to provide a great set of capabilities.  So, it appears I should persevere with "prior works" research before re-inventing my wheel.



Thanks in advance for any steering/feedback you're able to offer.



cheers,

Ian





On 17 July 2015 at 14:19, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

> Everyone,

>

> Please let me introduce you to Ian Mayo and his product, Debrief

>

> http://debrief.info/get-debrief/

>

> Debrief if a Maritime Analysis Workbench based on the Eclipse RCP. Ian

> sent me some information about it this morning and it looks very cool!

>

> Jay

>

> --

> Jay Jay Billings

> Oak Ridge National Laboratory

> Twitter Handle: @jayjaybillings







--

Ian Mayo

Deep Blue C Technology Ltd

- New technologies, implemented well

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