Re: [recommenders-dev] [snipmatch] should we announce a prototype drop?

[Doug Wightman <douglasw@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with Marcel and will also help add snippets.

I'm on the road today. Chen and I have a chat scheduled for Monday morning - lets plan to create an alpha release schedule then!

On Friday, July 13, 2012, Marcel Bruch wrote:

> No, i did not cost much time here. We have some other features in plan, if you think this is REALLY important, we should discuss it together.

I think a broad template base is essential. Otherwise people see a very nice tool but can't use it out of the box. I think the prototype should deliver something useful from the first moment.

I my opinion I did it wrong with intelligent call completion as I added support for Java Standard Library much too late (and only incompletely). So, this is just my personal view point and how I'd change things in the past if possible ;)



> Sorry, I am not so clear what you mean, could you give me some simple examples about "single object patterns"?

Please check Section "Intelligent Code Templates" in this post:
http://code-recommenders.blogspot.de/2012/07/code-recommenders-10-code-completion-on.html

These snippets are derived from the models of the intelligent call completion. I could write a few of them out to Snipmatch's database.


Cheers,
Marcel

On 13.07.2012, at 11:17, Chen Cheng wrote:

> Hi Marcel,
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> 2012/7/12 Marcel Bruch <bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Chen,
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> did you already take a look on how to convert and integrate the existing eclipse templates?
> No, i did not cost much time here. We have some other features in plan, if you think this is REALLY important, we should discuss it together. If possible, i can start this part of job once we finish adding parameters support for pattern rank search algorithm.
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> Doug, What's your idea?
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> Maybe we can add a few more by adding some frequent object usage patterns from code recommenders single object patterns too? Let me know if you are interested in this.
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> Sorry, I am not so clear what you mean, could you give me some simple examples about "single object patterns"?
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> On 12.07.2012, at 04:09, Chen Cheng wrote:
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>> Hi guys,
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>> I agree that we can release alpha version of SnipMatch. As Doug and me have some more features to develop for SnipMatch in our mind, and Marcel has also dream features for SnipMatch, maybe users have also some expecting things. I think we should hear users' voice, what they like, what they expect, this will help us to improve SnipMatch.
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>> There is not any product which is born perfect, usually it has an *evolution* progress, maybe we can start this progress for SnipMatch now.
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>> 2012/7/12 Doug Wightman <douglasw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Agreed. When I wrote "bare minimum" I was thinking MVP :) Definitely
>> not going for a fully-fleshed out offering.
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>> If we can soon have a version that people may actually adopt (and I
>> think we can), rather than just trying it as a "demo", I think we
>> should announce then.
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>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Marcel Bruch <bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hey Doug, great to hear that.
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>> > Just one more thought on "when is it ready for release?":
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>> > I'm a devotee of the "minimal valuable product" rather than working on a fully fletched product before showing it to the public. A little manual setup wont hurt much as we could announce it as alpha. But I think snipmatch should provide a waste of templates for almost all standard things (read, all templates already built-in Eclipse should be part of snipmatch too + as many new ones as possible) to make it valuable. In fact it should allow you to replace Eclipse's current templates completions.
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>> > To me, this would be the MVP and then snipmatch would be ready for a first drop. But that's just my unreflected thought ;)
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>> > Cheers,
>> > Marcel
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>> > On 11.07.2012, at 19:55, Doug Wightman wrote:
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>> >> We spoke about preparing for users this morning (well, morning my time
>> >> :). I think we're close but not quite there yet. I'd prefer that we
>> >> wait until users might actually adopt SnipMatch, rather than just test
>> >> it. The announcement might also be more useful then.
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>> >> Chen - what do you think is the bare minimum required before users
>> >> might actually adopt SnipMatch (using it on a regular basis)?
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>> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Marcel Bruch <bruch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Chen,
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>> >>> I see all these commits in Gerrit and which nice progress you made in the
>> >>> past week - and I wonder what's missing to make a first drop of snipmatch?
>> >>> What do you think: Is it usable for some early adopters and can we announce
>> >>> it on our project blog to get this required early feedback from them?
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>> >>> I'd love to see you guys getting your ideas out to the community and get in
>> >>> contact with them soon. I think the "stealth mode" should be shut down soon
>>