Yes, that is the idea. When searches can be saved or favorited then people can quickly toggle the contents of the toolbar.
Frequently used items should be identified so that they are available in a convenient place.
Cheers,
Wim
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Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 20:34
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Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Interesting idea: your widget should be a kind of mix between the quick access textbox and a toolbar ?
In this case, the items should be linked to the entry menu.
It is what you have in mind ?
Yes, maybe it should not be tabbed. Once you know your way around the Ribbon it is great fun but
I found it very confusing in the beginning. Still if I need some obscure function it is hard for me to know where that is.
I think the biggest issue with toolbars and menus is “where is that action”.
Maybe we can combine a search bar with a dynamic toolbar. The toolbar is minimal when you begin but
if you type “debug” it is populated with debug related actions. Same for “file”, “new”, etc..
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Sent: Friday, 8 March 2019 11:28
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Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Make our own version is a good idea, but I really don't know what is covered by Microsoft patent : design of the API, concepts like "ribbon tabs", "ribbon groups", look n' feel
?
If look n'feel is concerned, i do not see how can we create a "tabbed toolbar" that looks different from the ribbon ?
The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until the point their software makes
enough money after which Microsoft will come knocking.
Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon?
Thank you for your answser.
Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the situation.
Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal department ?
I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation has changed from what's been captured in
CQ 3187. Does anybody have any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed?
Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to
license@xxxxxxxxxxx to ask for help. Your request will get addressed faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal claims on the topic.
Hi Laurent,
That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we can reverse engineer the
ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise us.
We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in a picture.
Cheers,
Wim
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On Behalf Of Laurent Caron
Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29
To: Nebula Dev
Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published.
So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ?
I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users is very important. I remember
the arrival of Office 2007, many people where puzzled, but once
you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far as I know, the Ribbon was tested
during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before being shipped).
I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks.
By the way, does anyone interested in this project ?
Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron:
Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the word "batmobile" means "Green light"
😉
As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without gradient...
So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT
?
I'm interested by this widget, who else ?
Hi Laurent,
a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts.
Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore it's good to have a well known concept of a UI.
Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" (https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese language and I haven't work with it.
Ralf
IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore.
To the batmobile, let's go.
Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such
issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of
licensing?
Christian
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