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Re: [ide-dev] Interest in conference calls?
While meetings to discuss what *other* groups are working on so that there is better communication of what is already happening could be useful, I cannot see the Che engineers participating. We are already stressed on meetings.

What would be immensely more useful is a foundation mandate, ratified by the architecture committee, the board, and the affectect projects to require the various projects to collaborate in a certain way, at the cost of being disallowed from releasing unless certain interoperability standards are met.

In the case of the language server protocol, it could be:
1. Minimum, common support for protocol implementation across products.
2. Implementation of a shared language server repository that is hosted at the foundation
3. Packaging of what will be 15-25 language servers for accessibility locally and in distributed systems

If this sort of mandate existed, and there was some carrot and stick behind it, then having a committee to manage the effort, report on it, and enforce the various gropus on it to move it forward, then things get interesting.

Tyler Jewell | CEO | tyler@​codenvy.​com | 9​78​.8​84​.53​55


On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Patrik Suzzi <psuzzi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm interested in joining.

I love the idea of having calls or better: meetings, using a modern video-conferencing system instead of a bridge for phone calls.

Video conferences are great to have a "real team" experience, as we can have a simultaneous form of communication, rather than serial. As examples: on a video meeting, when someone is talking we can use body language to signal we understand, or we can send messages like bug numbers, and - by the way - it is easier to write minutes because we're in front of a PC.

Personally, I advise using a system like we utilized in the JSDT meetings:
- blue jeans as video conf system: as you can join both via video conf and from a phone; plus it works efficiently for screen sharing
- A shared notepad to take notes/minutes, and report actions. Here I suggest Google Docs, as you can paste images, which is useful if someone is having a screen-sharing session, and others are taking screenshots on the fly to put on the meeting minutes.

If we decide to go in the above direction, I volunteer to write the meeting minutes. That would be a terrific learning experience!

If we decide to go for non-call systems, I like the idea of using Mattermost, or any similar system which allow a fluent conversation where we can also conveniently use media and links.  


Best Regards,

Patrik Suzzi
Software Engineer, Eclipse
Platform UI Committer
https://about.me/psuzzi


On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Daniel Megert <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > +1 for having more asynchronous discussions (via Email or other technical means) as Mickael suggested.
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> How about channels in Mattermost?
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> From:        Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Date:        11.11.2016 17:24
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> +1 for having more asynchronous discussions (via Email or other technical means) as Mickael suggested.
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> This gives everyone the opportunity to contribute and not only the most active speakers. Also we can choose what to read and can do it whenever we have time.
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> Best regards, Lars
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> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Ned Twigg <ned.twigg@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> With a modern discussion board like Discourse, it's easy to discuss UI mockups and code snippets, and those discussions themselves can become engaging content for users and adopters.  It's difficult to share these email threads, and it's also difficult to share a conference call.  Takes about an hour to set one up.
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> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree the Language Server Protocol and the opportunities for the Eclipse community are very exciting. I think it would be very useful to document the opportunities for the Eclipse community and communicating a roadmap to the wider Eclipse ecosystem.
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> In my mind we need to consider the potential for a number of groups:
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> 1.       existing end-users, plugin developers, language IDEs
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> 2.       New communities of language server providers, editors, end-users
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> 3.      New partners that would benefit from a strategy based on language servers
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> It would be great to create some content and buzz that brings in new contributors and thinkers to the community.
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> Sign me up to help.
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> From: ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ide-dev-bounces@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:19 PM
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> Subject: [ide-dev] Interest in conference calls?
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> Hey gang,
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> This came up at the Architecture Council meeting today. There are a lot of cool things happening in the IDE space at Eclipse. The Language Server Protocol started by Microsoft but now being adopted by all Eclipse IDEs really opens the door to innovation while maintaining the advanced IDE features we all love. It’s a great architecture that allows us to experiment with new backends and new frontends independently and have them all work together. If you can’t tell, I’m pretty excited about all this :).
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> To marshall all this progress and new ideas, I think we need to organize a bit more as an Eclipse IDE community, or at least have regular times where we can get together on the phone and chat about these things, give presentations and demos, and create a greater buzz and hopefully grow our numbers.
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> As a start, would people here be interested in regular conference calls? We should be able to grab a channel on the Eclipse conference server. We could at least start with one and see if we find value in it. The LSP would be a great first topic. We could also bring up UX guidelines issues and talk through some of them. We could get updates from the various language projects and the different front end projects (Che and Orion, for example) and share our visions and find commonality. Lots of things we could do.
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> Thoughts? And Thanks!
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