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Re: [ide-dev] Respinning Mars.2 with GTK2 by default

The most frightening thing from the bug was this statement:

"changes in Gtk itself and SWT relying on GTK internals so open to breakage when GTK devs change their internals (rightfully so as SWT do hacks to achieve certain things)"

How can this ever be sustainable if SWT is using GTK internal APIs.

The words "drop support for Linux" has been spoken around where I sit. Of course that's not a solution since we care about our users on Linux. But they will tend to use whatever Linux distro the feel comfortable with. Not all of them are using Fedora.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:55 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mickael Istria" <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: ide-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 May, 2016 1:51:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Respinning Mars.2 with GTK2 by default
>
> On 05/04/2016 12:36 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
>
>
>
> So why don't people:
> * Plea with Ubuntu to get some of their bugs fixed?
> * Help SWT project fix some bugs?
> * Give equal treatment to distros and not try to punish one for the other?
>
> I want to repeat it loud. SWT on GTK3 is not broken (yes it has bugs but less
> than SWT on GTK2 even), SWT on GTK3 on Ubuntu is broken (many reasons
> described in the bug) so why don't people try to fix things in Ubuntu or in
> Ubuntu specific way without trying to "screw off" everyone else?
> I totally support Aleksandar's POV. Every couple of years, Ubuntu comes with
> a new fancy approach to something that is immature, incompatible with the
> state-of-art and breaks Eclipse. This mustn't be a reason to reduce quality
> on other distributions.
> As a Fedora user, I'd highly dislike GTK2 to be the default, because it's
> uglier.
>
> Isn't it possible, rather than impacting all distributions, to detect the
> current distribution and/or desktop system (Unity/Gnome-Shell) and to make
> some recommendation and tweaks based on that?

Possible and even done in few places to prevent crashes or to make things behave similarly to all other distros. Now it's up to the numerous Ubuntu users to add and maintain (as next version will break again) the tweaks they want to see.

> So Ubuntu users would be prompted to try one of the 3 ways to improve their
> experience.
> --
> Mickael Istria
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