Re: [ide-dev] Some Infos About Oomph

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>]

Ah, sorry, I didn’t get past that, it was too jarring :).

But once I did, I guess it’s in the right direction. It’s very familiar in
that it replicates the Eclipse downloads page, almost. Just a couple of
items that I’d like to hear what others think. We can move this to
bugzilla if there’s interest.

- We should really order the entry the same way we do the downloads page,
i.e. The things most users will want to use at the top. I shouldn’t have
to scroll down to find the IDE for Java.
- I know a lot of users that would like to install multiple packages. Yes,
lots of C++ developers do Web and Java server development too, especially
as IoT becomes a real thing. Most installers I’ve seen allow you to select
a number of features and then do the install. I think that would be a cool
benefit to Oomph that sets it well above what you get from the Downloads
page.

Thanks for this!
Doug.

On 2015-01-28, 10:18 AM, "Eike Stepper" <stepper@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Hi Doug,
>
>Thank you for trying it out and for giving feedback. We'll change the
>questionnaire to show up later when the installed
>product is launched:
>
>     458454: [Installer] Show questionnaire later
>     https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=458454
>
>If you try to forget about that for a moment, how was your remaining
>experience?
>
>Cheers
>/Eike
>
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>Am 28.01.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Doug Schaefer:
>> Thanks Eike. We¹ve downloaded the installer and showed it to a couple of
>> people on our QNX Momentics team. One of the things we¹re mainly
>>concerned
>> about is having a good install experience for new users and use that
>> mindset when evaluating install technologies.
>>
>> I guess, as a new user, I found it really confusing that the first
>>thing I
>> was asked for was to set up a bunch of preferences, the first being
>> ³Refresh Resources Automatically². New users won¹t likely know what the
>> preferences mean until they try it out, and they may never know what
>> Refresh Resources Automatically, means. What¹s a Resource?
>>
>> Do you have an even simpler mode that skips over that part? We¹ve all
>>seen
>> installers for product and they usually aim at the absolute newbie. The
>> idea is to get them into your product with the least amount of friction.
>> That first impression is pretty lasting, even if they only run the
>> installer once.
>>
>> I was just wonder what your philosophy is and what drove you to put the
>> preferences settings first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug.
>>
>> On 2015-01-28, 8:07 AM, "Eike Stepper" <stepper@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 28.01.2015 um 13:08 schrieb Max Rydahl Andersen:
>>>> Where can I try that nice oomph looking installer ?
>>> You can download it from
>>>http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Oomph_Installer
>>>
>>>> and is there a a way to reuse it for building my own custom installer
>>>>of
>>>> non-eclipse.org content, such as JBoss Tools and/or JBoss Developer
>>>> Studio  ?
>>> Yes, you'd need to repackage the installer with a slightly modified
>>> oomph.ini option. But let me start with some details
>>> about how product and project profiles are discovered (I'll omit the
>>>word
>>> "profiles"):
>>>
>>> Each product is logically contained in a product catalog and each
>>>project
>>> is logically either contained in a project
>>> catalog or, if it's a sub-project, in another project. All catalogs are
>>> logically contained in a catalog index. The
>>> index also contains pointers to SetupTask extension packages. All
>>> products, projects and extensions are thereby
>>> discoverable from the index. Physically the containment can an href,
>>> i.e., the entire index tree can be fragmented into
>>> many files. These files are typically accessible through a web browser.
>>>
>>> At Eclipse.org we maintain a default index:
>>> 
>>>http://git.eclipse.org/c/oomph/org.eclipse.oomph.git/plain/setups/org.ec
>>>li
>>> pse.setup
>>> And the Eclipse.org product catalog:
>>> 
>>>http://git.eclipse.org/c/oomph/org.eclipse.oomph.git/plain/setups/org.ec
>>>li
>>> pse.products.setup
>>> And the Eclipse.org project catalog:
>>> 
>>>http://git.eclipse.org/c/oomph/org.eclipse.oomph.git/plain/setups/org.ec
>>>li
>>> pse.projects.setup
>>> And a Github.com project catalog:
>>> 
>>>http://git.eclipse.org/c/oomph/org.eclipse.oomph.git/plain/setups/com.gi
>>>th
>>> ub.projects.setup
>>>
>>> The index and all the elements contained in it are referenced through
>>> logical URIs, for example index:/org.eclipse.setup
>>> for the index itself. The physical URIs are determined by Oomph's
>>>general
>>> URI-redirection facility, which is controlled
>>> through two different mechansims:
>>>
>>> 1) URIRedirectionTasks that are specified in the applicable profiles,
>>>for
>>> example the user profile.
>>>
>>> 2) System properties (or env vars if the dots are replaced by
>>> underscores) that are for example specified in the
>>> eclipse.ini (or oomph.ini for that matter). They have the form
>>>
>>>      "-Doomph.redirection." + someID + "=" + fromURI + "->" + toURI"
>>>
>>> The involved URIs can point to directories, in which case they redirect
>>> that directory and its contents.
>>>
>>> The physical URI of our default catalog is hard-coded in Oomph, but it
>>> can be easily redirected to any other location.
>>> So, one way to provide a custom installer is to add the following to
>>>the
>>> oomph.ini file:
>>>
>>> 
>>>-Doomph.redirection.index=index:/org.eclipse.setup->http://foo.bar.com/s
>>>et
>>> ups/index.setup
>>>
>>> On the other hand it might be better that you don't maintain an own
>>>index
>>> and require your users to use a repackaged
>>> installer. Instead we could add a new product catalog to the existing
>>> index at Eclipse.org. You could add your products
>>> there and people would see them immediately and could install them with
>>> their existing Oomph installer. If that sounds
>>> interesting I suggest you submit a bugzilla so that we can discuss the
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> /Eike
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