Re: [epp-dev] Minimum BREE for EPP Neon

[Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just for my understanding: now that m2e and Jetty moved to Java 8, how
could for example an Java EPP not move to Java 8? Shipping older
versions of the project? Or by kicking Maven and the Help System?

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Pascal Rapicault <pascal@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree with this.
> Even though Oracle no longer publicly supports a JRE does not mean that it
> is stopped being used instantaneously, or that some corporation won't be
> able to get fixes for it.
> Also other vendors are not necessarily stopping the maintenance either.
>
>
> On 07/30/2015 08:18 PM, Eric Rizzo wrote:
>
> I'm not an EPP package maintainer or committer, but I'd like to provide some
> user-community perspective on this.
> Java 8 is just over 1 year old, and it's well known that many people and
> (especially) corporations are slow to adopt new versions. If Eclipse
> packages were to require Java 8, I can pretty much guarantee, based on many
> years' experience supporting the community, that there will be many
> complaints and confused users. In fact, in a corporate environment where
> users literally can not update their own workstations, I'd say it's highly
> likely that users would be unable to use Neon, or at least have to jump
> through corporate IT hoops to get it working.
>
> I'm not knocking Java 8 (at least not here), I'm just trying to keep
> everyone focused on the users. Just because we, as tool developers, are
> enamored and in love with the latest toys doesn't mean we can justify
> pushing them down the throats of our large user base.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Lars Vogel
> July 30, 2015 1:52 PM
> Hi,
>
> I noticed yesterday that m2e moved to Java 8, which triggered this
> request. I contacted Markus Knauer and he suggested that I should send
> an email to this list to trigger the discussion about BREE for the
> EPP's in Neon.
>
> I personally think it would be great to require Java 8 as BREE for the
> EPP out of the following reasons:
>
> - Java 7 is out of public maintenance
> - if the EPP's decide early that they will require Java 8, other
> project will have the option to improve their code base based on Java
> 8
> - if m2e requires Java 8, AFAIK this would bump the most important
> EPP's also to Java 8.
>
> In Platform UI I would also like to support the Java 8 Date and Time
> API via Databinding, which would also bump platform to Java 8. This is
> not yet implement but on our roadmap. AFAIK the Jetty webserver also
> requires Java 8, which would result in a bump in the Eclipse Help
> system to Java 8.
>
> Best regards, Lars
>
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