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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Some further feedback on the Working Group Charter
(Mark Little)
2. Re: Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects (Mark Little)
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:31:56 +0000
From: Mark Little <mlittle@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Some further feedback on the Working
Group Charter
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+1
We should be at least as inclusive as the JCP (and the JCP EC) has become over the past few years.
Mark.
> On 1 Mar 2018, at 17:47, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Membership
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> The existing version states:
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> An entity must be at least a Solutions Member <https://www.eclipse.org/membership/become_a_member/ >membershipTypes.php#solutions ? of the Eclipse Foundation, have executed the EE.next Participation Agreement once defined, and adhere to the requirements set forth in this Charter to participate.
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> ....
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> I know there's another thread debating membership, but I'd personally raise a red flag to needing to be at least a Solutions Member in order to participate. My understanding is that Solutions Members <https://www.eclipse.org/membership/become_a_member/ > are pretty much vendors or orgs planning on releasing some commercial software based on an eclipse project. This wouldn't be strictly true for say a Java User Group or Open Source project team looking to contribute to EE.next (Jakarta EE). Perhaps that clause needs to be removed?membershipTypes.php#solutions
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> Pretty sure this has been raised and I just missed it, if so my apologies again.
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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:33:36 +0000
From: Mark Little <mlittle@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new
projects
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+1
> On 1 Mar 2018, at 19:57, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Overall, I agree with Steve's assessment. But... I don't think it's up to the EE4J PMC to propose new projects. Anybody can do an Eclipse project proposal. When a proposal is submitted, a top-level project is selected. The PMC for that project will then be notified and asked to review it. So, if somebody wants to create a new EE4J sub-project, they could submit a proposal to the EE4J PMC, and it would be evaluated. If the PMC approves it then it would be submitted to the Eclipse team for provisioning of the new project.
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> For now, all of the "Java EE" projects are being proposed by the EE4J PMC (specifically, Dmitry is doing most of that leg work, thank you!). But, after Jakarta EE gets established, then I would not expect that responsibility to fall on the PMC shoulders. We would become a bottleneck if that were to happen. We need more participation from the community and new project proposals would be part of that activity.
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> Kevin Sutter
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> From: "Steve Millidge (Payara)" <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:steve.millidge@payara.fish >>
> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org >>
> Date: 03/01/2018 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
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> Personal view here but my understanding is that it is for the PMC of the EE4J top level project to decide on the creation of a new sub-project.
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> Again personal view my suggestion is get a bunch of people interested start prototyping some code, drafting an api etc. Possibly in a sandbox repo within EE4J. If it gets a level of traction ask the PMC for a formal sub-project.
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> When the new api has reached a level of maturity that it has an agreed first cut API, TCK and Specs then it would be considered for inclusion in the future overall Jakarta EE platform by the Working Group.
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> Personally I don?t see the WG getting involved until a level of maturity is reached.
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> Others may have a different view as this is still all being worked out.
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> Steve
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> From: ee4j-community-bounces@eclipse.org <ee4j-community-bounces@eclipse.org > On Behalf Of John D. Ament
> Sent: 01 March 2018 18:18
> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [ee4j-community] Charter Feedback - Establishing new projects
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> While reviewing the charter (btw is there a public link somewhere to the latest? I only see it via email) I had one question pop up.
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> How do new projects get established for the working groups?
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> Right now we have a slew of projects coming in from the initial donation, at some point we're going to want to dive into newer technologies. Some features may make sense to go into existing projects, but others may make more sense to start to become their own project; with their own APIs, specs and TCKs. Which committees are responsible for reviewing and establishing these new projects, as well as determining the lines between two projects?
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