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1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
(Mark Little)
2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
(arjan tijms)
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:15:11 +0000
From: Mark Little <mlittle@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
state of Java EE 8
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I agree but unfortunately many non-Red Hat Eclipse IDE contributors have dropped away. The community needs to step up and help or convince other vendors to come back.
Mark.
> On 27 Feb 2018, at 13:55, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent support in the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of Jakarata EE for the reasons stated.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx>
> Date: 2/27/18 5:29 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ as the IDE for the consulters.
> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from the public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were having integrating our server.
> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in the market by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year by the Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation, it would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the Eclipse IDE.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Alex
>
>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
> Von: "Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak@xxxxxxxxx>
> An: "EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Betreff: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
> Hi Alexander,
> Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support for Java EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for _javascript_ is absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish (integrated).
>
> Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to be going pretty well.
>
> Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx <mailto:salvanos@xxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse Oxygen) is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package" way is offered.
> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been offered in older versions.
> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because not only does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most widely used IDE for Java EE.
>
> Best Regards,
> Alex
>
> Alexander Salvanos
> Goebenstr.5
> D-53113 Bonn
> Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:56:28 +0100
From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>
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Hi,
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Mark Little <mlittle@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree but unfortunately many non-Red Hat Eclipse IDE contributors have
> dropped away. The community needs to step up and help or convince other
> vendors to come back.
>
Me and my friend Bauke have been talking about helping out here for the JSF
part. I wonder though, would it be an option for Red Hat to donate it's
current JSF tooling to the WTP project?
It's clearly ahead wrt to things like EL completion and navigate into EL
expressions from Facelets, but it does need some updates for both JSF 2.2
and JSF 2.3 (for instance, the @FacesConfig annotation was added which
switches between a 2.2 pseudo and 2.3 mode, something which IDEs don't know
about as of now).
Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms
>
> Mark.
>
>
> On 27 Feb 2018, at 13:55, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent support in
> the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of Jakarata EE for
> the reasons stated.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx>
> Date: 2/27/18 5:29 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of
> Java EE 8
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ as the IDE
> for the consulters.
> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from the public
> sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were having
> integrating our server.
> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in the market
> by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year by the
> Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation, it
> would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the Eclipse IDE.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Alex
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
> *Von:* "Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak@xxxxxxxxx>
> *An:* "EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Betreff:* Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state
> of Java EE 8
> Hi Alexander,
> Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support for Java EE.
> Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for _javascript_
> is absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I
> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend
> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE
> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes
> GlassFish (integrated).
>
> Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to be going
> pretty well.
>
> Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>
> -Ryan
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse Oxygen) is
> still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package" way is
> offered.
> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been offered
> in older versions.
> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because not only
> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most widely used IDE
> for Java EE.
>
> Best Regards,
> Alex
>
> Alexander Salvanos
> Goebenstr.5
> D-53113 Bonn
> Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962 <+49%201512%204296962>
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