Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eclipse Installer makes first hand experi

[Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc-André Laperle" <marc-andre.laperle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Cross project issues" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Patrick Pollo Guilbert" <patrick.pollo.guilbert@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, 4 July, 2016 5:50:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eclipse Installer makes first	hand	experience on Linux worse
> 
> Hi Alexander,
> 
> GTK2 was forced because of bug 471721/471035. Perhaps now it works correctly
> with GTK3 and there is no need to force GTK2 anymore. It was still a problem
> last time I tested (April 27th).

I'll look into the bugs but this doesn't explain why the installed IDE should inherit this env. variable. A workaround for Oomph/installer should not be inherited by the installed IDE.

> 
> Marc-Andre
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Aleksandar
> Kurtakov [akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, 04 July 2016 10:43 AM
> To: Cross project issues
> Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eclipse Installer makes first hand
> experience on Linux worse
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Oomph runs with GTK2 by default and when you install and run your ide with it
> (the very first time) the env variables are inherited thus in the very first
> run users of Neon will see something broken [1] on recent Linux distro
> (Fedora 24) and that's pretty bad initial experience. It is really
> disturbing that installer/Oomph overrides defaults and decides that it knows
> better what is on the user machine better than SWT managed to find on the
> user machine. Upon restart of the IDE (when installer/oomph no longer
> defines env variables) user will see the proper page [2] but the initial
> experience would be already ruined and we might have lost the chance this
> user would ever start it again.
> Not to mention that webkitgtk (gtk2 version) is no longer installed by
> default on latest Ubuntu/Fedora (AFAIK) unless one explicitly installs it or
> had installed some other application that explicitly requires it. This
> essentially breaking the Internal web browser [3], making Help center
> opening in browser tab instead of its own applications and probably others.
> I understand this is just the first start but this is the most important run
> if we want to grow the user base. Doing such changes without deeply
> understanding the possible variations and how/when decisions are taken
> generates too much bad mouth and ruins so much effort spent that I would
> describe it as unacceptable.
> I sincerely ask the Oomph project/installer to reconsider these practices.
> 
> 
> [1] https://akurtakov.fedorapeople.org/broken.png
> [2] https://akurtakov.fedorapeople.org/proper.png
> [3] https://akurtakov.fedorapeople.org/broken_browser.png
> 
> --
> Alexander Kurtakov
> Red Hat Eclipse team
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