| Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] CodeEnvy continues to use deceptivewording that's harmful to Eclipse |
> I guess one question, is that really the Foundation’s role? Yes, it is. We entrust the foundation to safeguard various Eclipse trademarks and this looks like a clear case of misuse. > Is it not up to us, the community, to make sure the messaging is clear? Even if others put out clarifying and contradicting statements, the confusion will remain and only get worse as more people are exposed to this statement. > I gave a short talk to a local Ottawa IoT meetup and used the term “Eclipse” and they knew exactly what I was talking about Of course they did, which is exactly why claims that Che is the next generation Eclipse IDE is so damaging as most don’t understand that this isn’t saying that Che is the next version of what they understand to be Eclipse. In trademark terms, “Eclipse” and “Eclipse IDE” are established trademarks of the traditional Eclipse product. Even if that wasn’t an explicit overt decision, it’s a fact. In retrospect, perhaps the foundation and the product should not have used the same trademark, but we can’t fix the history. Trying to invent a new trademark for the traditional Eclipse IDE or the current quasi state where we are supposed to pretend that “Eclipse IDE” means any number of things to the user base is deeply damaging and expensive to everyone involved. Now is the time to stop it, before the damage spreads further. > Aside from that, the language server protocol is a great initiative and something our tooling really needs. I agree with that. That’s why I was reading the press release, before I got sidetracked by this. - Konstantin From: Doug Schaefer I guess one question, is that really the Foundation’s role? Is it not up to us, the community, to make sure the messaging is clear? Though I’m not as worried about that at the moment. I gave a short talk to a local Ottawa IoT meetup and used the term “Eclipse” and they knew exactly what I was talking about, using Eclipse to program their Arduinos. And they rather liked the idea :). Aside from that, the language server protocol is a great initiative and something our tooling really needs. Don’t forget Red Hat is also a major player here and I think we’ll all benefit from it. Doug. From: <cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Konstantin Komissarchik <konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Konstantin |