Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?

[David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Konstantin, thanks for the offer. I have
added it to the list of alternatives the Planning Council will discuss
next Wednesday, but off the top of my head, I think simply applying the
patches (without the normal development cycle of community feedback, and
testing) sounds a bit dangerous for something intended to "show off"
how great we are. But, I'll see what rest of Planning Council thinks. Thanks
again. (And, if not that, I'm sure there's plenty of other ways you can
help).

= = = = 

All, I have opened a bug to get a concrete
list of "who has something for Java 8 to patch Kepler SR2". I
know some of you have mentioned it here on this list, but it is easy for
me to miss something, so please repeat. 
Please see/respond in bug 431427. 
Bug 431427
- Who has "Java 8 Patch" for Kepler SR2? 

Please give the data requested there
by next Tuesday, April 1 (no, no fooling) so that the Planning Council
has the data available when they meet on Wednesday, April 2. (but, no need
to argue, there in the bug, pros and cons of various plans ... I think
we have done that here on this list, and my hope is the Planning Council
can come to some consensus on the best course of action). 

I also wanted to give my sincere apologies
for not thinking to coordinate or plan this better. It seems the Java 8
support patch caught many people by surprise. While there has been occasional
"status updates" and mentions of it announced on "eclipse-dev"
list (and else where), I think that 1) that doesn't get the visibility
we thought it did, and 2) I suspect there was a certain tone of caution
that leads to "under promise and over deliver" -- after all,
it was a pretty large, risky proposition to begin with, and quite an accomplishment
the JDT team (and others) were able to pull it off. But still, apologies
for not thinking ahead on this one. 

Thanks to all of you who have commented
on this issue, and care so deeply about Eclipse. 






From:      
 "Konstantin Komissarchik"
<konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:      
 "'Cross project
issues'" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, 
Date:      
 03/27/2014 10:45 PM
Subject:    
   Re: [cross-project-issues-dev]
Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
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Clearly debating this further
will not lead to anything productive, so how about this instead…
 
I will volunteer to write
a script that takes existing Kepler SR2 packages, installs the Java 8 patches
into them and re-packages them. I will do all the work if I have a commitment
to publish these packages at a reasonable location in eclipse.org main
downloads area.
 
- Konstantin
 
 
From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:26 PM
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
 
I understand your frustration. I think your
efforts would be better spent though trying to convince the community to
action with hard data, like the number of users who are switching to Java
8 right now that can't figure out how to install the feature patch. Is
there a bug report where this is being gathered?
 
Doug.

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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Konstantin
Komissarchik [konstantin.komissarchik@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:03 PM
To: 'Cross project issues'
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
You seem to be saying that
I don’t know how these releases are put together or who does the work.
That’s low.
 
You are quite right that
there is no consensus. It is quite sad to see this. There is lots of talk
about needing to make ensure that Eclipse remains competitive, but when
time comes to do something concretely towards that, there is little interest.
Let there be no mistake, it is a bad completive position to have Eclipse
ship official Java 8 support three months behind the competition. For developers
immersed in Eclipse internals daily, it may not seem like a big deal to
ask users to seek out and install various patches or to use a Luna pre-release
build or to just wait, but average users don’t see it that way.
 
- Konstantin
 
 
From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Doug Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:35 PM
To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx;
Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
 
Yes, you have to remember, the Foundation
doesn't put together releases, the projects do. And Mike is correct, there
isn't consensus from the projects that a Kepler SR3 is warranted versus
putting resources on Luna. The feature patch install is easy and just needs
to be made more visible, as Mike is proposing to do. 
 
Doug.

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From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Mike Milinkovich
[mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:43 PM
To: 'Cross project issues'
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Kepler SR3 for Java 8?
On 27/03/2014 1:28 PM, Konstantin
Komissarchik wrote:
Well, it is more work, but
it shouldn’t be a lot of work since the bulk of it is automated and I
would think that the value to Eclipse community and Eclipse reputation
would outweigh the investment.

My impression is that there is no consensus that a Kepler SR3 is desirable.
That is part of the reason why we're proposing the steps outlined in my
email from earlier today.

In any event, I think that posting on this thread was a mistake. I've started
a new thread and will hopefully get some feedback on what the EF is proposing
to do.
-- 
Mike Milinkovich
mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
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