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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Re: NAB on Ganymede

Nick

Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:50:57 -0400
Nick Boldt <codeslave@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Updated. 
> 
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede_Simultaneous_Release#Must_Do
> 
> Question:
> 
> I understand that language barriers can be troublesome, but if the requirement wasn't clear, why didn't you ask your fellow DSDPers (Pawel, Martin, Ted), your PMC, or anyone on the cross-projects-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx list? Surely someone could have shown you how to implement & verify your compliance with the requirement.

The answer is very simple. Regrettably I thought that I understand these
requirement until Doug's indication. 

Shigeki

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> Eclipse Modeling :: http://www.eclipse.org/modeling 
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> Shigeki Moride <moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> 
> Shigeki Moride <moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Sent by: moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 07/03/08 08:54 PM
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> Nick Boldt/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA, Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "eclipse. org-planning-council" <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>	
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> Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Re: NAB on Ganymede	
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> Hello Nick,
> 
> 
> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:58:18 -0400
> Nick Boldt <codeslave@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > This page:
> > 
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede#Ganymede_Builds
> > *
> > The Ganymede Build <http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/Build> page is 
> > where you go to learn how to add your project to the Ganymede build.
> > 
> > *... links to
> > 
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/Build
> > 
> > which includes this section, detailing both the syntax of the .sc file 
> > and what it should contain:
> > 
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/Build#The_Projects.27_Roles
> > 
> > Perhaps we need to rewrite that page a little?
> 
> I feel the need of direct link to Ganymede_Builds page *.sc file section
> at MustDo #10 sentence.
> 
> And other MustDo issues if possible.
> 
> 
> Shigeki
> 
> 
> 
> > Nick
> > 
> > Shigeki Moride wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > > I talked with Doug and Martin. I forward this discussion to here.
> > > So, if the Ganymede gate isn't closed now then I want to join to 
> > > Ganymede train.
> > > And I apologize this lazy boarding and my poor English skill.
> > > Shigeki
> > > Thu, 3 Jul 2008 05:21:16 -0700
> > > "Gaff, Doug" <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > <mailto:doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Thanks Martin. I forgot that the planning council list was closed.
> > >     Shigeki, if you post to cross-projects, I値l forward a copy to the
> > >     planning council to expedite this.
> > >
> > >     *From:* Oberhuber, Martin
> > >     *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:13 AM
> > >     *To:* Gaff, Doug; 'Shigeki Moride'
> > >     *Subject:* RE: NAB
> > >
> > >     Hi Shigeki,
> > >
> > >     please post to the
> > >
> > >     cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >     <mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >     mailing list as well as the
> > >
> > >     eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >     <mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >     mailing list.
> > >
> > >     I know that you are subscribed to cross-project, but I am not
> > >
> > >     100% sure if you are also subscribed to planning-council.
> > >
> > >     The planning council list is a "closed" one where you need
> > >
> > >     to ask the EMO by means of an E-Mail to get subscribed --
> > >
> > >     you cannot subscribe yourself there.
> > >
> > >     Cheers,
> > >
> > >     --
> > >
> > >     *Martin Oberhuber*, Senior Member of Technical Staff, *Wind River*
> > >
> > >     Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > >
> > >     http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> > >
> > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >         *From:* Gaff, Doug
> > >         *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:10 PM
> > >         *To:* Shigeki Moride
> > >         *Cc:* Oberhuber, Martin
> > >         *Subject:* RE: NAB
> > >
> > >         Can you post this to eclipse.org-planning-council today? You
> > >         can subscribe here if you池e not already subscribed:
> > >
> > >         https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-planning-council
> > >
> > >         I think it may be too late, but let痴 see.
> > >
> > >         *From:* moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >         [mailto:moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Shigeki
> > >         Moride
> > >         *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:45 PM
> > >         *To:* Gaff, Doug
> > >         *Subject:* Re: NAB
> > >
> > >         Doug
> > >
> > >         Sorry, yesterday was a holiday.
> > >
> > >         Firstly, eclipse.org-planning-council ML is not feeding for me.
> > >
> > >         So, I think the reason of this fact.
> > >
> > >         1) I couldn't understand the meaning of Ganymede Must Do #10.
> > >         I understand that term as about Ganymede Signoff page on wiki.
> > >         Is there any pointer to the issue of *.sc file?
> > >
> > >         2) I seem Ganymede Build page is only described "automatic
> > >         build". I couldn't find the necessity to making *.sc file to
> > >         the project that have a builded packages.
> > >
> > >         3) I feel relief at the passage of the release review.
> > >
> > >         4) Generally, if that issue was announced on
> > >         cross-project-issues-dev or other ML then it is too difficult
> > >         to find it. Because that ML have too much traffic to read all
> > >         for non-native English reader. I'm sorry about this but this
> > >         is a fact. I need help to tracking that discussion. Please
> > >         give me a head-up information.
> > >
> > >         Shigeki
> > >
> > >         Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:44:58 -0700
> > >
> > >         "Gaff, Doug" <doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >         <mailto:doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > >
> > >             Hi Shigeki,
> > >
> > >             Are you following the discussion on the
> > >             eclipse.org-planning-council mailing list? Martin and I
> > >             have advocated that you be added to the Ganymede release.
> > >             But it痴 really time for you to make the case on the list
> > >             and explain why you didn稚 understand the instructions.
> > >
> > >             Doug
> > >
> > >             *From:* Oberhuber, Martin
> > >             *Sent:* Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:26 AM
> > >             *To:* Gaff, Doug
> > >             *Subject:* RE: NAB
> > >             *Importance:* High
> > >
> > >             Hi Doug,
> > >
> > >             I think that Shigeki should have the final word on this.
> > >             It doesn't seem
> > >
> > >             right that we fight for his project, and he doesn't even
> > >             care about sending
> > >
> > >             a single e-mail to the cross-project list. I think he must
> > >             have the final
> > >
> > >             word of either
> > >
> > >             (a) explaining why he didn't understand the instructions,
> > >             and asking for
> > >
> > >             his project to be picked up, or
> > >
> > >             (b) withdrawing the request.
> > >
> > >             After all it's his project and we're just mentoring it,
> > >             right? My personal
> > >
> > >             opinion (and that's for Doug S, Nick and Bjorn) is that
> > >             while it seems
> > >
> > >             absolutely obvious for us build+releng guys that creating
> > >             a *.sc file is
> > >
> > >             required for the Ganymatic, it's not that obvious for
> > >             somebody just reading
> > >
> > >             the "must do's". The original text, already cited by Nick, is:
> > >
> > >                 "Projects must have stated and demonstrated their
> > >                 intent to join Ganymede by the M4+0 date. Projects do
> > >                 so by adding themselves to the table/list above and to
> > >                 the Ganymede common build infrastructure. "
> > >                 (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede#Must_Do, #10)
> > >
> > >
> > >             So, Shigeki did add himself to the list, but what the heck
> > >             would that
> > >
> > >             ... and to the Ganymede build infrastructure" mean?
> > >
> > >             I agree that SHigeki can't have been too keen about
> > >             joining Ganymede
> > >
> > >             but it might also be a cultural question.
> > >
> > >             However, I think he should have the final word, and not you.
> > >
> > >             Cheers,
> > >
> > >             --
> > >
> > >             *Martin Oberhuber*, Senior Member of Technical Staff,
> > >             *Wind River*
> > >
> > >             Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > >
> > >             http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> > >
> > >         --
> > >
> > >         Shigeki Moride
> > >
> > >         moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >         <mailto:moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >         moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shigeki Moride
> > > moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:moride.shigeki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> moride@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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