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RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Re: [cross-project-issues-dev]Re: EclipseCon memory stick and Ganymede M5

Doug,

+1  I agree as well.  It really does seem best to strive for inclusiveness
by giving as many folks as possible the opportunity to be on the stick.  Of
course there are arguments strongly in favor of doing what's best for the
recipients of the sticks too, but I don't see that the update site isn't a
good thing for them.  I didn't quite get the 1.4 JVM thing.  Many projects
need 5.0 to function...


Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
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+1 for the update site on the stick.

I think packages are the right direction for the future, but given that
they currently omit some Ganymede projects, I have to agree with Martin
and others that it's against the spirit of EclipseCon.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Martin Oberhuber
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:21 PM
> To: Cross project issues
> Cc: eclipse.org-planning-council
> Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Re: [cross-project-issues-
> dev]Re: EclipseCon memory stick and Ganymede M5
>
> Is EclipseCon really the right place to promote EPP packages on the
> stick?
> Some facts:
>
> * An EPP Package can also be downloaded fairly easily because it's a
> single download. Using the update site, however, is painful.
> * I thought that EclipseCon is for showing the breadth of the
> Ecosystem,
> and allow people try out something they haven't tried before.
> * You argue yourself that you expect most attendees to already have a
> JVM and "some" version of Eclipse on their Laptops. Wouldn't they be
> more interested in getting broad exposure to lots of projects, rather
> than just another version of the base Platform?
> * Looking at disk space, it appears we have 840 MB available.
>    - As of today, Ganymede/staging/plugins is 540 MB -- jars only no
> .pack.gz at all.
>    - Ganymede/staging/features is 9MB
>    - Base Eclipse is 78MB per Platform if we have them start with Java
> IDE (including XML Edit, Mylyn to promote these)
>   ==> should allow for 78 x 3 = 250 + 540 + 9 = 800 MB giving all 3
> win32, linux32, MacOS plus some slack space.
>
> Sounds a lot more compelling for me than duplication of various
> variants
> of EPP packages...
>
> Also note that the .jar only ganymede site would work with 1.4 JVMs.
> If we decided to ship 1.5 or 1.6 JVM's we could ship a .pack.gz
variant
> instead, so that should also fit...
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Martin Oberhuber
> Wind River Systems, Inc.
> Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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