Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] eclips

[Chris Aniszczyk <zx@xxxxxxxxxx>]

+1 for an easier way to use the newsgroups (via a polished web interface).

I do agree with Doug that most people use Forums in the open-source world, but we have adopted Newsgroups. Moving from a Newsgroup to a Forum would be like moving from CVS to SVN in my opinion ;)

Cheers,

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Chris Aniszczyk | IBM Lotus | Eclipse Committer | http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com | +1.860.839.2465

Ed Merks ---10/03/2007 01:59:45 PM----1 on getting spam or having to use a web page to compose notes. Newsgroups are linkable:

From:	Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:	"eclipse.org-planning-council" <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:	Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "eclipse.org-planning-council" <eclipse.org-planning-council@xxxxxxxxxxx>, emo@xxxxxxxxxxx, eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date:	10/03/2007 01:59 PM
Subject:	[cross-project-issues-dev] RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] eclipse.org server usage patte rnsversus new innovative tools

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-1 on getting spam or having to use a web page to compose notes.

Newsgroups are linkable:

   http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/thread.php?group=eclipse.tools.emf

and searchable

   http://www.eclipse.org/search/search.cgi?cmd=Search%21&form=extended&wf=574a74&ps=10&m=all&t=5&ul=%2Fnewslists%2Fnews.eclipse.tools.emf&wm=wrd&t=News&t=Mail

Would a forms-based way to posting to the newsgroup perhaps solve the
problem?


Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
905-413-3265  (t/l 969)




                                                                           
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+1 on hating newsgroups. I have received negative feedback on them from
people. I for one have a low appreciation for them. I spend a lot of my
time in e-mails and would prefer to get more immediate notice of traffic on
our newsgroup. Otherwise, I don?t go check.

I think it would be a huge help to the community if we had the now standard
on-line forums instead similar to what exists on SourceForge. Then people
can choose to monitor them and get e-mails when traffic occurs. They are
much more searchable too and people can create links to topics from
outside. They?re all good.

BTW, I?m becoming a big fan of Drupal for website management (I?ve just
starting using it for Wascana). It has a Forums module (which I seen but
haven?t tried yet).

But, yeah, that?s pretty off topic?

Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com

From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Gaff, Doug
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:20 PM
To: eclipse.org-planning-council; Cross project issues; Denis Roy; Mike
Milinkovich; emo@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] eclipse.org server usage
patternsversus new innovative tools

Sorry?this isn?t exactly on topic?.

Has anyone heard complaints about having to use newsgroups?  I have one
project lead who really hates them.  It?s true that they are a little
?retro?, but I haven?t heard anyone else complain about them before now.

Doug

From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bjorn Freeman-Benson
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:38 PM
To: Cross project issues; eclipse.org-planning-council; 'Denis Roy'; Mike
Milinkovich; emo@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [eclipse.org-planning-council] eclipse.org server usage
patternsversus new innovative tools

Planning Council, Cross Projects List, EMO,

The eclipse.org IT infrastructure (cvs, svn, bugzilla, wiki, eclipsecon,
etc) is designed to support current usage patterns and expected growth to
those patterns. Innovation in frameworks and tools can affect those usage
patterns. I think we should write up a policy for how Eclipse projects
should assist the EMO in planning for usage pattern changes.

For example, our CVS system is designed around the historic usage pattern
of developers syncing up with the HEAD, doing some work, then committing
their changes, iterating a few times a day, maybe a dozen times a day. But
what if the Team-CVS project team wanted to include a "automatically check
for changes" feature in the Team-CVS code. If the automatic part ran
frequently (every few minutes), this might impose a large load on the
eclipse.org CVS servers and bandwidth - a dramatic change to the usage
pattern. And yet we don't want to discourage innovation like this because
it could be a great feature for end users.

We (the EMO) would want to be involved in design decisions so that we can
understand what the usage pattern changes and their impacts will be. And
we'd like to be involved in web-api design so that there are ways for us to
throttle back the bandwidth/resources at critical times (e.g., the big June
release and the last week before EclipseCon). For example, the hypothetical
Team-CVS feature could utilize a reply code from the servers to throttle
back how often it checks for updates. Etc.

I've started a wiki page for comments:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse.Org_Usage_Patterns_Policy
- Bjorn
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