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RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Now that the party is over...
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Good idea Kim. I'll make the changes on Monday.
Wayne
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> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Kim Moir
> Sent: July 6, 2006 4:44 PM
> To: Cross project issues
> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Now that the party is over...
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> I think that the Callisto page may be a bit misleading for
> those people who already are running 3.1 and may need to be
> tweaked a bit.
>
> For instance, if you look at
> http://www.eclipse.org/callisto/java.php
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> The title is "Upgrade to Eclipse 3.2" which for people
> running 3.1 the logical conclusion is "Hey, I can upgrade, I
> don't have to reinstall' :-) Of course, this isn't true
> because of https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=123162.
>
> Given the number of questions on the eclipse.newcomer group,
> perhaps it is warranted to start a Callisto faq that could be
> linked from the Callisto page. It could just have links to
> other faqs or identify issues specific to Callisto, for
> example, how to report a bug against Callisto if you don't
> know the specific component where the problem lies. I've
> started one here...please feel free to add content.
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Callisto_FAQ
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> Kim
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> Now that Callisto is "out the door", the "party is over" so
> to speak. I get the sense there are still a few
> clean-up/follow-up issues to deal with. Can I raise a few to
> people's consciousness level?
>
> First, with a new release, especially one so widely
> publicized, we're going to have a *lot* of new downloaders.
> That's going to lead to a lot of questions. I've noticed a
> significant up-tick occurring on eclipse.tptp (despite the
> 4th holiday weekend). I've noticed a LOT of new users over in
> CDT and WTP land as well (e.g.). So. could I encourage
> everyone, despite their
> tiredness/euphoria/sick-of-Callisto/whatever-you're-feeling-no
w situation to please check out *your* newsgroup and consider > responding
to those out there floundering? . and consider
> passing this suggestion along to the rest of your project
> team? I know a lot of us "conversationalists" are still
> plugging away in our respective newsgroups, but there are
> "expert opinions" needed all the more now!
>
> Second, along those same lines, can I make my inevitable plea
> for you experienced guys to consider perusing
> eclipse.newcomer and helping some poor schmuck with his/her
> problem? The one that has surprised me the most (which just
> shows how stupid I can be. this should not have been a
> surprise!) is how many people are trying to "upgrade" to
> Eclipse 3.2 or some other Callisto component. I guess I just
> assumed everyone would gladly throw off their tired, their
> old, their worn-out (and working!) Eclipse environment and
> just whole-heartedly embrace a complete Callisto download.
> (See, I told you I was stupid! :-))
>
> Third, and eclipse.newcomer has highlighted this for me, can
> I make a plea for a "refresh" on Ed Burnette's call for
> discussion in eclipse.foundation under the "User experience"
> project heading? When he first posted, there was a lot of
> silence, then a flurry, then more silence. I think we were
> all too intent on getting Callisto out to consider "what
> next". Now that we're at "next", I'd like a serious
> consideration of his proposal, and (surprise) I'd like to
> raise the possibility that we dismiss the idea and just go
> ahead and concede the "out of the package download
> experience" to NetBeans and whatever VENDORS want to
> productize Eclipse. Seeing the level of inexperience DROP
> post-Callisto on eclipse.newcomer (IMHO), I'm just not sure
> we're up to the task Ed is proposing. Why spread ourselves
> too thin? Why not focus on our true "core values", which are
> to provide the best platform for others to productize?
> (Alternatively, I want to so incense people with my "concede
> to NetBeans" counter-proposal so as to incite a real effort
> to go beyond our core values to adding a new one. best
> out-of-the-box experience. I'm just not sure we're up to it!)
>
> That's it for now. Back to sweeping up the confetti. (i.e.,
> back to doing all those little things for the next point
> release that fell off the sides in the rush to release for Callisto).
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